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 Dontdive 01-06-2013 08:03 AM

God forbid Canada should think they're the best

No one tournament can define how good a country is in general at hockey (junior hockey lately being in the discussion), bad luck alone can make the difference between a gold medal and no medal at all. But over time, luck should average out and show who really is best.

In the past 20 years of the World Juniors, if you gave the gold medallists 3 points, the silver 2 points, and bronze 1 point, here's what you'd get:

Canada 42
Russia 32
Sweden 17
United States 13
Finland 9
Czech Republic 7
Slovakia 1
Switzerland 1

The results speak for themselves.

 jcbio11 01-06-2013 08:12 AM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Dontdive (Post 57174875) No one tournament can define how good a country is in general at hockey (junior hockey lately being in the discussion), bad luck alone can make the difference between a gold medal and no medal at all. But over time, luck should average out and show who really is best. In the past 20 years of the World Juniors, if you gave the gold medallists 3 points, the silver 2 points, and bronze 1 point, here's what you'd get: Canada 42 Russia 32 Sweden 17 United States 13 Finland 9 Czech Republic 7 Slovakia 1 Switzerland 1 The results speak for themselves.
How about last 5 years? How would that table look?

 toronto murphy laws 01-06-2013 08:17 AM

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 Originally Posted by jcbio11 (Post 57175153) How about last 5 years? How would that table look?
You can't do the math? You entirely missed the OP's point.

 premadonna 01-06-2013 08:19 AM

Everyone knows Canada is the greatest hockey nation out there. No need to feel insecure.

 StringerBell 01-06-2013 08:20 AM

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 Originally Posted by jcbio11 (Post 57175153) How about last 5 years? How would that table look?
Canada, Sweden = 8
USA, Russia = 7

 jekoh 01-06-2013 08:24 AM

Results from 20 years ago obviously have no relevance anymore.

Over the last 4 tournaments:
Usa 7
Sweden 6
Russia 6
Canada 5

The results speak for themselves.

 Jim Morrison 01-06-2013 08:44 AM

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 Originally Posted by jekoh (Post 57175631) Results from 20 years ago obviously have no relevance anymore. Over the last 4 tournaments: Usa 7 Sweden 6 Russia 6 Canada 5 The results speak for themselves.
The rest of the world has definitely caught up with Canada's junior-development.

 txpd 01-06-2013 08:55 AM

i think the focus has been more focused around here on the difficulty that canadian fans seem to be having that their team didnt win again than the rest of the international teams claiming superiority. right?

while i could see russians trying to put that claim in, americans certainly are not and they've won 2 of the last 4 wjc and lost the last olympics and overtime in a very winnable game where canada had a clear home ice advantage.

ive said it before, when your team/country can't enjoy its place in the world without winning every given competition, how can you ever truely enjoy when you win??

there's a reason the 1980 men's hockey gold medal is legend and considered a top ten american moment of alltime outside of just the sports world. it was because they werent suppose to win. they werent supposed to even have a shot.

 NewFang 01-06-2013 08:57 AM

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 Originally Posted by Jim Morrison (Post 57176451) The rest of the world has definitely caught up with Canada's junior-development.
Probably because the rest of the world now has most of their junior development in Canada (chl). I think this really levels the playing field.

 daver 01-06-2013 08:59 AM

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 Originally Posted by Jim Morrison (Post 57176451) The rest of the world has definitely caught up with Canada's junior-development.
Based on a handpicked window of four years of tight competition at the WJC after 100 years of being the leader?

Seems like there should have been a lot more non-Canadians being drafted high in the last few years if this is the case.

Let's see at least one country reel off multiple WJC wins before making a statement that one country has caught up to Canada.

 jekoh 01-06-2013 09:06 AM

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 Originally Posted by NewFang (Post 57177045) Probably because the rest of the world now has most of their junior development in Canada (chl). I think this really levels the playing field.
Sweden had the grand total of 2 players on Canadian junior teams. That's not even as many as the number of Team Canada players on US teams.

Same goes for Russia last year. But sure they're only where they are because of the CHL :facepalm:

 YARR123 01-06-2013 09:14 AM

There is no winning against canada. When they win, they win. When they lose, they win. Must be awesome being canadian.

 DaveG 01-06-2013 09:16 AM

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 Originally Posted by NewFang (Post 57177045) Probably because the rest of the world now has most of their junior development in Canada (chl). I think this really levels the playing field.
Not even close to accurate but nice try. Vast majority of Swedes are still developing in their junior system. Same goes for the Russians and the Finns. The US has more in the CHL but the vast majority of that team does their development with the USNTDP and only moves on, whether to the CHL or NCAA, after the fact. And a majority of the time it's to the NCAA.

 MrVisser 01-06-2013 09:17 AM

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 Originally Posted by YARR123 (Post 57177735) There is no winning against canada. When they win, they win. When they lose, they win. Must be awesome being canadian.
Not gonna lie, it's pretty sweet.

 #66 01-06-2013 09:23 AM

I have no problem with Canada having attitude. They should.

What I used to hate is how they used to paint themselves as underdogs every year at the WJC or make everyone else out to be so big and bad. Now its everyone stealing their game. Hockey Canada picked a bad team.... quit boo hooing already.

 YARR123 01-06-2013 09:28 AM

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 Originally Posted by NewFang (Post 57177045) Probably because the rest of the world now has most of their junior development in Canada (chl). I think this really levels the playing field.
This Don Cherry BS is really catching on isn't it... Look at rosters of USA, Sweden and Russia. Count how many of the players play in the CHL. And then find out what kind of a % the players have played in Canada and got Canadian coaching. The effect of Canadian junior leagues on these teams in marginal at best.

It's incredibly self centered to think it's Canada that made all the other countries improve.

 Sigh 01-06-2013 09:30 AM

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 Originally Posted by YARR123 (Post 57177735) There is no winning against canada. When they win, they win. When they lose, they win. Must be awesome being canadian.
Canada wins: it's fixed! No one cares about this tournament!
Canada loses: haha, you suck!

I agree though, we should totally be as humble as the rest of the world who keep telling us that they're better than us at everything, including hockey now! :sarcasm:

 jekoh 01-06-2013 09:32 AM

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 Originally Posted by YARR123 (Post 57178391) The effect of Canadian junior leagues on these teams in marginal at best. It's incredibly self centered to think it's Canada that made all the other countries improve.
In fact there's no evidence whatsoever that even the few players that did play in the CHL are any better off for it when compared to the ones that stayed home.

 txpd 01-06-2013 09:49 AM

chl play makes non-canadian players better than actual canadians? this entire thought thread makes no sense to me. give it a rest

 KRM 01-06-2013 09:53 AM

No one tournament no, but how about two? U20 Canada fails to medal, U17 Canada fails to medal.

 GordieHoweHatTrick 01-06-2013 09:54 AM

The executives at Hockey Canada are a bunch of POS

 smitty10 01-06-2013 09:59 AM

It's fun for the smaller fan bases to rag on the bigger ones so that they feel better about themselves. We see it all the time. NHL fans hating on the Leafs, Canadiens and Bruins/Rangers; baseball fans hating on the Yankees and Bosox; so in international play it's the thing to do to hate on Canada. Don't read much into it.

 Rocko604 01-06-2013 10:02 AM

The tournament has defintely become a 4-team race the past few years, and I think that's great. It *should* put pressure on Hockey Canada to be smarter when selecting the players and coaching for the team, and perhaps without a medal this year they'll wake up.

We also wouldn't have won 5 straight golds without a bit of luck on our side either. Towes in the shootout vs the Americans and the Eberle goal vs. Russia. Without either of those happening, we'd be playing for bronze in those years.

 marty 4 hart* 01-06-2013 11:07 AM

People are crazy if they think that the americans are better than Canada. Canada is still the team to beat.

 spintheblackcircle 01-06-2013 11:13 AM

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 Originally Posted by marty 4 hart (Post 57184013) People are crazy if they think that the americans are better than Canada. Canada is still the team to beat.
And they were beaten. Twice

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