HFBoards

HFBoards (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/index.php)
-   New York Rangers (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
-   -   Salary Cap: Contracts and Salary Cap (Contract Info in Posts #1 & #2) (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1316851)

nyr2k2 02-27-2008 05:20 PM

Contracts and Salary Cap (Contract Info in Posts #1 & #2)
 
2013-2014 NEW YORK RANGERS CONTRACTS AND CAP HITS
* INDICATES PLAYER IS ELIGIBLE FOR PERFORMANCE BONUS
CAP HIT LISTED IS CHARGE WHILE ON NHL ROSTER
CHECK CapGeek FOR DETAILED INFORMATION ON ALL CONTRACTS


:rangers

ACTIVE ROSTER--AS OF 4/7/2014

PlayerNoteCap Hit2013-20142014-20152015-20162016-20172017-20182018-20192019-20202020-20212021-2022
Forwards
Boyle, Brian $1,700,000$1,800,000UFA       
Brassard, Derick $3,200,000$3,700,000RFA       
Carcillo, Dan $825,000$825,000UFA       
Dorsett, Derek $1,633,333$1,400,000$2,000,000UFA      
Fast, JesperELC$900,000$900,000$900,000RFA      
Hagelin, Carl $2,250,000$2,100,000$2,400,000RFA      
Haggerty, RyanELC$925,000$925,000$925,000$925,000RFA     
Kreider, ChrisELC$1,325,000$900,000*RFA       
Moore, Dominic $1,000,000$1,000,000UFA       
Nash, RickNMC$7,800,000$7,800,000$7,900,000$7,900,000$8,000,000$8,200,000UFA   
Pouliot, Benoit $1,300,000$1,300,000UFA       
Richards, BradNMC$6,666,667$9,000,000$8,500,000$8,500,000$7,000,000$1,000,000$1,000,000$1,000,000UFA 
St. Louis, Martin35+$5,625,000$5,625,000$5,625,000UFA      
Stepan, Derek $3,075,000$2,300,000$3,850,000RFA      
Zuccarello, Mats $1,150,000$1,150,000RFA       
Defensemen
Diaz, Raphael $1,225,000$1,250,000UFA       
Falk, Justin $975,000$975,000RFA       
Girardi, Dan $3,325,000$3,400,000UFA       
Klein, Kevin $2,900,000$3,000,000$3,000,000$3,000,000$2,750,000$2,750,000UFA   
McDonagh, RyanMNTC$4,700,000$4,000,000$4,300,000$4,500,000$5,000,000$5,100,000$5,300,000UFA  
Moore, JohnELC$965,000$810,000*RFA       
Staal, Marc $3,975,000$3,875,000$5,450,000UFA      
Stralman, Anton $1,700,000$1,800,000UFA       
Goaltenders
Lundqvist, HenrikNMC$6,875,000$5,125,000$11,000,000$10,000,000$9,500,000$9,000,000$7,5000,000$7,000,000$5,500,000UFA
Talbot, Cameron $562,500$550,000$575,000UFA      


----------


NON-ROSTER PLAYERS--AS OF 4/7/2014

PlayerNoteCap Hit2013-20142014-20152015-20162016-20172017-20182018-20192019-20202020-20212021-2022
Forwards
Asham, Aarron $1,000,000$1,000,000UFA       
Beach, Kyle $550,000$550,000RFA       
Bourque, RyanELC$900,000$715,000*RFA       
Duclair, AnthonyELC$820,000$820,000$820,000$820,000RFA     
Haley, Michael $600,000$600,000UFA       
Hrivik, MarekELC$685,000$640,000*$665,000*RFA      
Jean, KyleELC$925,000$717,500*RFA       
Kantor, MichaelELC$583,333$600,000$575,000$575,000RFA     
Kristo, DannyELC$1,300,000$875,000*RFA       
Lindberg, OscarELC$760,000$675,000*$750,000*RFA      
Miller, J.T.ELC$1,244,167$925,000*$832,500*RFA      
Nicholls, JoshELC$925,000$667,500*$717,500*$742,500*RFA     
Powe, Darroll $1,066,667$1,150,000UFA       
St. Croix, MichaelELC$870,000$640,000*$665,000*$600,000*RFA     
Wilson, JasonELC$588,333$605,000RFA       
Yogan, AndrewELC$800,000$655,000*$680,000*RFA      
Defensemen
Allen, ConorELC$1,775,000$925,000*$925,000*RFA      
Bickel, Stu $750,000$800,000UFA       
Donnay, TroyELC SR$716,667$690,000$680,000$780,000RFA     
Hughes, TommyELC$608,333$600,000$600,000$625,000RFA     
Johnson, Aaron $600,000$600,000UFA       
McIlrath, DylanELC$1,295,000$650,000*$810,000*RFA      
Syvret, Danny $587,500$600,000UFA       
Noreau, SamuelELC$645,000$620,000$645,000$670,000RFA     
Goaltenders
Missiaen, JasonELC$750,000$725,000*RFA       
LeNeveu, David $550,000$550,000UFA       
Stajcer, ScottELC$700,000$670,000*RFA       

CHECK CapGeek FOR DETAILED INFORMATION ON ALL CONTRACTS

BBKers 01-06-2013 08:19 AM

Salary Cap and Contracts Thread
 
Hi

Thought I would start a new salary cap thread as the old one is no longer applicable.

Some ideas about this year and next year. Elaborate.

YOUR 2013 NEW YORK RANGERS

FORWARDS (12)
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Jason Arnott ($1.600m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m) /one game supension/
Jeff Halpern ($0.700m)
TOTAL FWDS: $37.367M


DEFENSEMEN (8)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Anton Stralman ($1.700m) / Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Steve Eminger ($0.750m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) / Matt Gilroy ($0.650m)
TOTAL DEFENSE: $15.000M

GOALTENDERS (2)
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
TOTAL GOALIES: $8.175M

LTIR
Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
TOTAL ACTIVE PLAYER SALARIES (incl LTIR): $60.192M

Special onetime compliance buyout = LEX Sather insanity ($6,5M minus $900k counts against cap)
Wade Redden ($5.600m)

PREVIOUS BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)

TOTAL DEAD MONEY: $7.267M
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000
CAP PAYROLL: $69,708,334
TOTAL CAPHIT: $69.058.334
DEFERRABLE BONUSES: $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster + Sauer on LTIR): $2,391,666
LTIR (Sauer): $1,250,000

Michael del Zotto signed a 2 year (2nd) contract @ $2,55M

Expect minor movement here as well... Sather has over $5M in cap space (not sure if it is actually more as this is a 50 game schedule making these numbers prorated to an 82 game year) if del Zottos new deal is close to my number and :amazed:
And the terms for the buyout of Wade Redden are also not clear as of now - maybe we can buy him out now already?

2013/2014 NEW YORK RANGERS

FORWARDS
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Derek Stepan ($2.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Darroll Powe ($1.067m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $64,772,500
BONUSES: $2,050,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,577,500

Some "fat" needs to be trimmed to get further under the cap if desired
Contracts like Pyatt, Boyle :amazed:, Asham and Stralman would be the usual suspects here.
Guys like Lindberg, Fast, Hrivik, Thomas, Jean and Newbury would be potential replacement names from within the organization with a lower price tag. The newr additions of Mashinter, Palmieri and Ferriero too - if all are resigned.
Replacing/omitting someone like Haley or Biron might be options too, although the former creates no actual cap space

This is also presuming that the key RFA contract numbers wind up something like this:
  • MDZ (2013) $2,500m
  • McD (2014) $4,300m
  • Stepan (2014) $2,500m
  • Hagelin (2014) $2,000m

I know that some people, maybe entirely correctly, think that MDZ will get a longer deal with a substantially higher cap hit. Time will tell here. But only if you have a functioning crystal ball then you might be able to give more accurate figures here (and then there would be better ways of using that "ball"). They can of course be debated either way.

The only real roster changes in this above scenario from this year (2013) would be replacing our 2 UFAs in C Jeff Halpern with #1st round draft pick JT Miller and D Steve Eminger with #1st round draft pick Dylan McIlrath. This would however add to the cap hit. There will almost certainly be more/other changes nobody can foresee, and nothing guarantees that Miller and/or Big Mac are NHL ready next year.

Nonetheless - it is within the realm of possibility that we can keep the team intact (resigning all 4 key RFAs) and keeping Ghidorah if we get really creative and get rid of some minor roster fat. Is it likely? I do not know. Nobody does. But it certainly will be interesting to follow...

Regarding cap hits to our coming FAs - I did a small "study" here below to study how Sather has dealt with our Homegrown talent. Seems pretty clear, if you play well you triple your money on your second deal (most likely a 2 year deal) to do your "RFA #1contract diligence" and then you get paid with a longer contract.Only real exception here is Marc Staal that went straight to a bigger deal taking one year of UFA. Methinx (barring unforseen huge development somewhere) that Hagelin, Stepan and Kreider will follow the usual formula but Ryan McD will follow the Marc Staal and get paid/locked up right away in contract 2.
CONTRACTS FOR "HOMEGROWN" NEW YORK RANGERS

PlayerELC yearYears~ NHL salaryRFA #1 yearYears~ NHL salaryMult factorRFA #2 yearYears~ NHL salaryMult factor
Dan Girardi 2006/2007 2 525.000 2008/2009 2 1.550.000 2,95 2010/2011 4 3.250.000 2,10
Ryan Callahan 2006/2007 3 575.000 2009/2010 2 2.300.000 4,00 2011/2012 3 4.275.000 1,86
Brandon Dubinsky 2006/2007 3 633.333 2009/2010 2 1.850.000 2,92 2011/2012 4 4.200.000 2,27
Marc Staal 2007/2008 3 793.333 NONE 0 0 0 2010/2011 5 3.975.000 5,01
Brian Boyle 2007/2008 2 750.000 2009/2010 2 525.000 0,70 2011/2012 3 1.700.000 3,24
Mike Sauer 2007/2008 3 590.000 2010/2011 1 500.000 0,85 2011/2012 2 1.250.000 2,50
Artem Anisimov 2008/2009 3 821.266 2011/2012 2 1.875.000 2,28 2013/2014 GONE GONE GONE
Michael del Zotto 2009/2010 3 875.000 2012/2013 2 2.550.000 2,91 2014/2015 ???? ??
Carl Hagelin 2011/2012 2 662.500 2013/2014 ?? ?? 3,00?? ?? ?? ????
Derek Stepan 2010/2011 3 820.833 2013/2014 ?? ?? 3,00?? ????????
Ryan McDonagh 2010/2011 3 875.000 NONE?? ?? ??NONE?? 2013/2014 ?? ?? 5,00??
Chris Kreider 2011/2012 3 800.000 2014/2015 ?? ?? 3,00?? ?? ?? ?? ??

According to this "principle & logic" - this should also mean:
  • Hagelin signs in 2013 for 2 years for $2M per
  • Stepan signs in 2013 for 2 years for $2,5M per
  • McD signs in 2013 for 5 years for $4,3M per
  • Kreider signs in 2014 for 2 years for $2,4M per

TRADE GUIDELINE
PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013 (50)

NEW YORK RANGERS (27 - 4 players on LTIR)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
1 D McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) $1,300,000* RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2 D Sauer, Michael (LTIR) $1,250,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R2 #40 NYR (2005)
3 F Stepan, Derek (ELC) $875,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHLR2 #51 NYR (2008)
4 F Hagelin, Carl (ELC) $875,000* RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #168 NYR (2007)
5 F Zuccarello, Mats $700,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
6 F Clowe, Ryan (DtD) $3,625,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #175 San Jose (2001)
7 D Hamrlik, Roman $3,500,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Washington (1992)
8 D Eminger, Steve $750,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Washington (2002)
9 D Gilroy, Matt $650,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
10 F Brassard, Derick $3,200,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
11 D Del Zotto, M. $2,550,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #20 NYR (2008)
12 F Kreider, Chris (ELC) $1,325,000* RFA 2014New York Rangers/NHL R1 #19 NYR (2009)
13 D Moore, John (ELC) $965,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)
14 G Lundqvist, Henrik $6,875,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #208 NYR (2000)
15 F Callahan, Ryan $4,275,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R4 #127 NYR (2004)
16 D Girardi, Dan $3,325,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
17 D Stralman, Anton $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
18 F Boyle, Brian(LTIR) $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
19 F Pyatt, Taylor $1,550,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
20 F Powe, Darroll $1,066,667 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
21 G Biron, Martin $1,300,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
22 F Asham, Arron $1,000,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
23 F Newbury, Kris $600,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R5 #139 San Jose (2002)
24 D Staal, Marc (LTIR) $3,975,000 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 NYR (2005)
25 F Dorsett, Derek (LTIR) $1,633,333 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
26 F Nash, Rick (NMC) $7,800,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
27 F Richards, Brad (NMC) $6,666,667 UFA 2020 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)

Assigned to AHL/ECHL/Europe (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
28 D Niemi, Jyri (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2013 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R3 #72 NYI (2008)
29 F Ferriero, Benn $700,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #196 Phoenix (2006)
30 D Pyett, Logan $600,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
31 F Palmieri, Nick $577,500 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R3 #79 New Jersey Devils (2007)
32 F Mashinter, Brandon $550,000 RFA 2013 The Black Aces Undrafted
33 D Collins, Sean $600,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
34 F Segal, Brandon $550,000 UFA 2013 The Black Aces R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
35 D Vernace, Mike $525,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #201 San Jose (2004)
36 F Jean, Kyle (ELC) $925,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
37 F Bourque, Ryan (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2014 The Black Aces R3 #80 NYR (2009)
38 G Missiaen, Jason (ELC) $750,000* RFA 2014 The Black AcesUndrafted
39 G Stajcer, Scott (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHLR5 #140 NYR (2009)
40 F Wilson, Jason (ELC) $588,333 RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R5 #130 NYR (2010)
41 D Bickel, Stu $750,000 UFA 2014 The Black Aces Undrafted
42 F Haley, Micheal $600,000 UFA 2014 The Black Aces Undrafted
43 D McIlrath, Dylan (ELC) $1,295,000* RFA 2015 The Black AcesR1 #10 NYR (2010)
44 F Miller, J.T. (ELC) $1,244,167* RFA 2015 The Black Aces R1 #15 NYR (2011)
45 F Thomas, Christian (ELC) $970,000* RFA 2015 The Black Aces R2 #40 NYR (2010)
46 F Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) (DtD)$900,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHLR6 #157 NYR (2010)
47 F Yogan, Andrew (ELC) $800,000 RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #100 NYR (2010)
48 F Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) $760,000* RFA 2015 Playing for Team Sweden at WC R2 #57 PHX (2010)
49 F Hrivik, Marek (ELC) $685,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
50 G Talbot, Cameron $562,600 UFA 2015 The Black Aces undrafted

CONTRACTED PLAYERS THAT DO NOT COUNT against 50 contract limit in 2013 (6)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
+ D Allen, Connor (ELC) $1,775,000* RFA 2016Connecticut Whale/AHL?undrafted
+ D Hughes, Tommy (ELC) $608,333 RFA 2016London Knights/OHLundrafted
+ F Nicholls, J. (ELC) $709,167 RFA 2016 Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
+ F St. Croix, M. (ELC S) $665,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL R4 #106 NYR (2011)
+ F Kantor, Michael (ELC) $583,333 RFA 2016 Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHLUndrafted
+ F Dodero, Charlie (ELC) $$ ?? NA RFA 2016?? Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHLUndrafted

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR (there are a few more here I believe)
Pos PlayerTeam Drafted
D Pashnin, Mikhail HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F Fogarty, Steven Notre Dame Fighting Irish/CCHA R3 #72 NYR (2011)
F McColgan, Shane Saskatoon Blades/WHL R5 #134 NYR (2011)
D Noreau, Samuel Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ R5 #136 NYR(2011)
D Čerešňk, Peter Peterborough Petes/OHL R6 #172 NYR (2011)
D Skjei, Brady Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F Nieves, Cristoval Michigan Wolverines/CCHA R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D Andersson, Calle Malm /HA R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F Spelling, Thomas Oskarshamn/HA R5 #142 NYR(2012)

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
LTIR - denotes player placed on Long time injury reserve

NYR Draft picks in 2013
  • 3rd round Nashville (for NYR 3rd round pick 2012)
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 3rd round Columbus (in Nash trade 2012, conditional - that NYR do not go to SC finals in 2013)
  • 4th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • NO 1st rounder (traded to Columbus for Rick Nash... 2012)
  • NO 2nd rounder (traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013)
  • NO 5th rounder (traded to Nashville for Nashville 5th 2012 - chose Tomas Spelling at #142)
  • NO 7th rounder (traded to Minnesota along with Eric "Crusher" Christensen for Casey Wellman 2012)
NYR Draft picks in 2014
  • 1st round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • 6th round Columbus (for Marian Gaborik)
  • Eventually NO 2nd rounder NYR (conditionally traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR or NYR get to ECF in 2013 - then San Jose gets the pick. It will be the Rangers' 5th-round pick in 2014 if neither condition is met.)
  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick)

SnowblindNYR 01-06-2013 08:41 AM

What was it in 11-12?

Vitto79 01-06-2013 08:41 AM

Redden on this yrs cap
 
With all the excitement I am reading the Rangers can't buyout Redden till next yr and they would be hit with most of his cap hit this yr. If true this REALLY hurts this yrs cap situation.

Rangerboy is great at posting specifics so I will ask him to clarify this for us all.

Janerixon 01-06-2013 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 57176345)
With all the excitement I am reading the Rangers can't buyout Redden till next yr and they would be hit with most of his cap hit this yr. If true this REALLY hurts this yrs cap situation.

Rangerboy is great at posting specifics so I will ask him to clarify this for us all.

If this is in fact the case, look for them to trade him to a team with lots of cap room with a draft pick or prospect for future considerations, then next year that team could buy him out.

SnowblindNYR 01-06-2013 08:44 AM

Can they play Redden as the #6 D? Can't be worse than Bickel right?

Vitto79 01-06-2013 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janerixon (Post 57176421)
If this is in fact the case, look for them to trade him to a team with lots of cap room with a draft pick or prospect for future considerations, then next year that team could buy him out.

good call sir, plenty of teams would be under the cap floor. I imagine the Rangers still would have to take a crappy contract back so the buyouts make sense for both teams

free0717 01-06-2013 08:51 AM

I think the Rangers are gonna have trouble fitting in McD, MDZ, Stepan and Hagelin. Along with Redden, I think Rupp or Pyatt get bought out.

Carlos Ranger 01-06-2013 08:57 AM

Trading Redden for a player who is also likely to be bought out, but has more money on their deal but maybe a lower cap hit, is the best we can probably hope for.

Janerixon 01-06-2013 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 57176477)
good call sir, plenty of teams would be under the cap floor. I imagine the Rangers still would have to take a crappy contract back so the buyouts make sense for both teams

Vitto who do you think would be a good trading partner? I see your point about taking a contract back, I am just not sure who we could make a deal with that gives us someone usable back?

Vitto79 01-06-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janerixon (Post 57177035)
Vitto who do you think would be a good trading partner? I see your point about taking a contract back, I am just not sure who we could make a deal with that gives us someone usable back?

heck its a tough call but we didnt think Sather could find a deal for Brashear but he did with Atlanta. So its going to be a cap floor team.

Maybe Sather goes back to his buddy Maloney in Phoenix or Tallon in FLA? Basically whoever takes Redden back would be looking to add to the cap floor and saving money in the buyout.

We also dont know if the Rangers can trade Redden and add salary that does not go on the cap. Going to be interesting.

If they cant find a deal I guess they eat Redden this yr, it hurts on the cap and at the trade deadline but atleast its all over next summer with the Redden buyout allowed.

BrooklynRangersFan 01-06-2013 09:41 AM

How hilarious would it be if Redden's contract actually became an ASSET in the context of this new CBA?

"Ok, I'm auctioning off one very affordable buyout. What am I bid to take on your very expensive buyout in exchange? I have a 3rd round pick, do I hear a 2nd?"

Very curious to see what GMs do once the ink is dry.

Janerixon 01-06-2013 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 57178607)
heck its a tough call but we didnt think Sather could find a deal for Brashear but he did with Atlanta. So its going to be a cap floor team.

Maybe Sather goes back to his buddy Maloney in Phoenix or Tallon in FLA? Basically whoever takes Redden back would be looking to add to the cap floor and saving money in the buyout.

We also dont know if the Rangers can trade Redden and add salary that does not go on the cap. Going to be interesting.

If they cant find a deal I guess they eat Redden this yr, it hurts on the cap and at the trade deadline but atleast its all over next summer with the Redden buyout allowed.

I think Sather will find a date for the dance with Redden, I just don't see it being as fruitful as some think. He could be a decent 3rd pair defenseman on a different team, change can be a beautiful thing for some players. Remember there were rumors that the Pens had interest in Redden if he was bought out of his contract, I just see them shipping him to a young team looking for a veteran 6th d-man who can give him a chance this year and always buy him out at the end if he stinks. He may be going with a pick unless we can take a bad contract back.

free0717 01-06-2013 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janerixon (Post 57180421)
I think Sather will find a date for the dance with Redden, I just don't see it being as fruitful as some think. He could be a decent 3rd pair defenseman on a different team, change can be a beautiful thing for some players. Remember there were rumors that the Pens had interest in Redden if he was bought out of his contract, I just see them shipping him to a young team looking for a veteran 6th d-man who can give him a chance this year and always buy him out at the end if he stinks. He may be going with a pick unless we can take a bad contract back.

I'd be shocked if Sather traded the Redden Contract. All the teams are well above cap floor. A guy like Rozival was attractive because his cap salary was well above his actual salary however Reddens actual salary is only 1.5 M below the Cap no. And Redden sucks. Rozival was decent for Phoenix and they wanted to get rid of WW. Phoenix actually saved actual dollars by doing this.

Our big problem is we have to sign MDZ, McD, Hags and Stepan for 2013-14. Right now including a buyout of Redden, the Rangers will have approx. 12.5M to sign these four players. And that gives them no room for maneuvering. Some people talk about buying out Gabby but that will put us in the same boat we were in before the Nash Trade. I wont part with Cally, Staal or Danny G so our option to pick up Cap space will be to buyout either Rupper or Pyatt. That would only give us about 1.5M in wiggle room.

It will be very interesting to see how Sather manages to get the 4 players signed and keeping this team together.

BrooklynRangersFan 01-06-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by free0717 (Post 57181229)
I'd be shocked if Sather traded the Redden Contract. All the teams are well above cap floor. A guy like Rozival was attractive because his cap salary was well above his actual salary however Reddens actual salary is only 1.5 M below the Cap no. And Redden sucks. Rozival was decent for Phoenix and they wanted to get rid of WW. Phoenix actually saved actual dollars by doing this.

Our big problem is we have to sign MDZ, McD, Hags and Stepan for 2013-14. Right now including a buyout of Redden, the Rangers will have approx. 12.5M to sign these four players. And that gives them no room for maneuvering. Some people talk about buying out Gabby but that will put us in the same boat we were in before the Nash Trade. I wont part with Cally, Staal or Danny G so our option to pick up Cap space will be to buyout either Rupper or Pyatt. That would only give us about 1.5M in wiggle room.

It will be very interesting to see how Sather manages to get the 4 players signed and keeping this team together.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that Redden's attractive for cap floor purposes. If it happens, it would happen in exchange for a (much) more expensive buyout candidate. Wade will be owed peanuts next season (in real dollars) compared to some of the other potential candidates. Saving 8 figures on a buyout would be very attractive, especially to small market owners.

(Of course, one thing we don't yet know is if this is even possible - if I'm not mistaken, under the NBA CBA you could only buy out a player who was on your roster at the time of the CBA signing.)

CM PUNK 01-06-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 57176345)
With all the excitement I am reading the Rangers can't buyout Redden till next yr and they would be hit with most of his cap hit this yr. If true this REALLY hurts this yrs cap situation.

Rangerboy is great at posting specifics so I will ask him to clarify this for us all.

Buyouts have to be done by next season but pretty sure they can be done now. We have no issues this year. Have over 6 mil to sign mdz. It's next year that is a potential issue

Snow Soccer 01-06-2013 11:24 AM

What are the implications for Richards' 9-year deal ?

Tawnos 01-06-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Soccer (Post 57185081)
What are the implications for Richards' 9-year deal ?

Not sure. We haven't had word yet on any cap recapture situation for guys retiring on long term deals.

rangers5000 01-06-2013 11:42 AM

guys what exactly goes down with a buyout

i know that a small part of there contract still counts against the cap and we still pay part of it, but when you buy somebody out like drury are the rangers still paying him his full salary and only part of it gets counted against the cap

durry is at 1.6 right now, does that mean where still paying the rest of his contract, how exactly does it work

RangerBoy 01-06-2013 11:46 AM

NO BUYOUTS NOW

Redden will count against the cap

$5.6M will count. NHL minimum salary plus $375,000. $525,000 plus $375,000. $900,000

Quote:

It will be harder to bury one-way deals in the minors under new CBA. This season anything over $900,000 in AHL counts on a team's cap.
Quote:

To be clear, one-way deals in AHL totalling the minimum salary plus $375,000 are exempt from cap. The #NYR have a decision on Redden.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris

Add $1,666,667 from the Chris Drury buyout

Rangers will have a cap of $62,933,333.

Michael Sauer can be put on LTIR freeing up $1.25M. Pro-rated amount.

In the NBA,teams were only allowed to buy out players already under contract when the previous CBA expired.

Roszival made less money than WW 11-12. Rozy made $3M. WW made $4M. The Rangers can't trade Redden for another player with the same time left on his contract. They need every penny available for 13-14. No more sending a player to the AHL to shed money. Redden is owed $5M next season. That's a lot of money.

bobbop 01-06-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 57176345)
With all the excitement I am reading the Rangers can't buyout Redden till next yr and they would be hit with most of his cap hit this yr. If true this REALLY hurts this yrs cap situation.

Doesn't matter. Teams can spend up to $70MM this year.

Right now, Rangers well poisitioned vs. many other teams. Real issues come at the end of 2014.

Tawnos 01-06-2013 11:53 AM

Still some interesting veteran names out there that might be available for cheap depth.

Arnott
Rolston
Langkow
Sykora
Knuble

R. Jones
Foster

Janerixon 01-06-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by free0717 (Post 57181229)
I'd be shocked if Sather traded the Redden Contract. All the teams are well above cap floor. A guy like Rozival was attractive because his cap salary was well above his actual salary however Reddens actual salary is only 1.5 M below the Cap no. And Redden sucks. Rozival was decent for Phoenix and they wanted to get rid of WW. Phoenix actually saved actual dollars by doing this.

Our big problem is we have to sign MDZ, McD, Hags and Stepan for 2013-14. Right now including a buyout of Redden, the Rangers will have approx. 12.5M to sign these four players. And that gives them no room for maneuvering. Some people talk about buying out Gabby but that will put us in the same boat we were in before the Nash Trade. I wont part with Cally, Staal or Danny G so our option to pick up Cap space will be to buyout either Rupper or Pyatt. That would only give us about 1.5M in wiggle room.

It will be very interesting to see how Sather manages to get the 4 players signed and keeping this team together.

I wouldn't be shocked, Redden can serve as a 3rd pair defenseman and he will be receiving a pro-rated salary making him more affordable for a team looking for a depth defenseman. If Sather were to include a decent pick or prospect with him for future considerations there could very easily be a taker. Then if Redden is a bust he is a 1 of 2 compliance buyouts next year. There is not much to lose for a team looking for a depth d-man who needs a change of scenery and comes with a pick/prospect.

As Rangerboy pointed out with Redden our cap is 63 million at the moment and you can take off 1.25 million for Sauer, so we can afford to keep him, but by moving Redden we open up some space for a high priced rental.

RangerBoy 01-06-2013 12:03 PM

The Rangers still need to re-sign Del Zotto.

Which team is taking Wade Redden? He is owed $5M next season. He hasn't played in the NHL in almost 3 seasons.

iamitter 01-06-2013 12:08 PM

Has there been any news regarding penalties for long term deals a la Richards?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:33 PM.

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com, A property of CraveOnline, a division of AtomicOnline LLC ©2009 CraveOnline Media, LLC. All Rights Reserved.