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Sam I Am 01-06-2013 10:18 AM

THE OFFICIAL BUYOUT THREAD: Bourque or Kaberle?
 
I think everybody can agree that Gomez is our first buyout. Do the Habs buyout Kaberle or Bourque with the second?

Bourque's contract extends 2 years beyond Kaberle's but he fills (at least theoretically) the greater need--big, scoring winger.

Kaberle's contract is up at the end of next season but we do have an awful lot of d-men hanging around.

Do the Habs keep them both or cut one free?

My vote goes to Bourque who has really shown very little during his short tenure with the Habs. He's one of those guys who seem to wear out his welcome with every team he's on--even when scoring 25-30 goals a season. Without the goal-scoring, he's toast.

Habs 4 Life 01-06-2013 10:20 AM

Easily Kaberle for me between the 2

pine 01-06-2013 10:20 AM

BORK BORK BORK BORK

Kaberle is tradeable.

katatoniak 01-06-2013 10:21 AM

We'll see at the end of this season. If Bourque shows something good, it will be Kaberle. If not, it will be Bourque

Theosis 01-06-2013 10:21 AM

Depends how they perform over the next 48 or 50 games... We can't buyout until the off-season anyway.

Hannibal 01-06-2013 10:21 AM

Kaberle.

We can always use a powerforward like Bourque.

Fozz 01-06-2013 10:21 AM

Much, much too early to say for sure. They might not need to buyout either contracts after getting Gomez off the books.

Roulin 01-06-2013 10:22 AM

I'm very glad the Habs have this half season to evaluate who has aged worse between the two, to test Markov's health (in case they need Kaberle on the top PP unit) and to try to get a trade or two done.

CrAzYNiNe 01-06-2013 10:22 AM

Is it official that it's two?

Well here are the 3:

Rene Bourque buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $333,333
2014-15: $1,833,333
2015-16: $1,833,333
2016-17: $1,000,000
2017-18: $1,000,000
2018-19: $1,000,000

Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $4,357,143
2014-15: $1,500,000

Tomas Kaberle buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $1,250,000
2014-15: $1,500,000
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So by looking at that, Bourque and Gomez are the two worst for us. Gomez has high value for 2 years and Bourque has a lot of small values. Kaberle, unless he really sucks, shouldn't be bought out since he will only have one more year left.

I guess everything depends on what UFA we will try and sign or how tight the budget is next year.


edit: But the reason I show the value is because in case we need to buy out 3 due to them sucking and needed cap space for better assets. I believe Kaberle won't be bought out on a compliance buyout since he is the most useful (at least last year, who knows this year) and has the better contract of the 3.

Lars The GOAT Eller 01-06-2013 10:23 AM

Wait a couple months and decide?
Kaberle makes more sense I think, Bourque has a longer contract BUT a nice salary should he return to 25-25 form.

LeHab 01-06-2013 10:23 AM

Too early to say for the 2nd. New coach, new GM let's see how players player in the new system.

There might also be some interest from other teams for one or both.

Habs 4 Life 01-06-2013 10:23 AM

Bourque is a good power forward which we have always wanted and the guy can fight and protect his teammates. I really don't understand why we would move him after barely giving him a chance

WhiskeySeven 01-06-2013 10:23 AM

I'd keep both and see what's what but if we would have to buy out one of the two, I'd buy Gomez out twice.

ZARTONK 01-06-2013 10:23 AM

Ill pick kaberle, but i think bourque should go down to the third line, plekanec hasnt had legitimate wingers since kovalev and kostitsyn....

Habs 4 Life 01-06-2013 10:24 AM

I agree about keeping both for this year just in case Markov goes down Kaberle can at least play some pp. make a decision before next season

Analyzer 01-06-2013 10:25 AM

Gomez.

Even on a terrible season Bourque still scored 17 goals.

If he's bought out he'll be signed asap. Whichever team does get him will laugh at us.

People wanting to buy Bourque out after a bad half season here where most of the team sucked just proves how fickle fans really are.

Kaberle can be dealt to a team who needs to get over the cap. Plus he ****ing suck defensively.

Tuggy 01-06-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzYNiNe (Post 57181355)
Is it official that it's two?

Well here are the 3:

Rene Bourque buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $333,333
2014-15: $1,833,333
2015-16: $1,833,333
2016-17: $1,000,000
2017-18: $1,000,000
2018-19: $1,000,000

Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $4,357,143
2014-15: $1,500,000

Tomas Kaberle buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $1,250,000
2014-15: $1,500,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So by looking at that, Bourque and Gomez are the two worst for us. Gomez has high value for 2 years and Bourque has a lot of small values. Kaberle, unless he really sucks, shouldn't be bought out since he will only have one more year left.

I guess everything depends on what UFA we will try and sign or how tight the budget is next year.

They are compliance buyouts and will not count against the cap. So those numbers are irrelevant.

CrAzYNiNe 01-06-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 57181411)
Bourque is a good power forward which we have always wanted and the guy can fight and protect his teammates. I really don't understand why we would move him after barely giving him a chance

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Year            Team        League        GP        G        A        PTS        +/-        PPG        PPA        SHG        SHA        GWG        PIM        Shots        PCT        Hits
2011-12        Montreal        NHL        38        5        3        8        -16        0        1        1        0        0        27        67        7.46        38

That's why.... He was really not impressive last year and I was really disappointed. Last year was a loss though, maybe he can be better. Maybe.

Habs 4 Life 01-06-2013 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzYNiNe (Post 57181355)
Is it official that it's two?

Well here are the 3:

Rene Bourque buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $333,333
2014-15: $1,833,333
2015-16: $1,833,333
2016-17: $1,000,000
2017-18: $1,000,000
2018-19: $1,000,000

Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $4,357,143
2014-15: $1,500,000

Tomas Kaberle buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $1,250,000
2014-15: $1,500,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So by looking at that, Bourque and Gomez are the two worst for us. Gomez has high value for 2 years and Bourque has a lot of small values. Kaberle, unless he really sucks, shouldn't be bought out since he will only have one more year left.

I guess everything depends on what UFA we will try and sign or how tight the budget is next year.

It will not count against the cap

MXD 01-06-2013 10:27 AM

I'd let them play the current season, and decide afterwards.

I'm inclined to say Kabs, as he'll have some value, AND, his probably the easiest to replace (we don't have much prospects in the Bourque mold).

Sam I Am 01-06-2013 10:28 AM

Another observation: In the rush to rid the team of Gomez and his absurd salary, Habs' fans have not really noticed that the 2-buyout provision of the new CBA actually hurts the Habs more than it helps.

Gomez' deal, however difficult to stomach, is by far the team's worst contract. It expires at the end of next season.

Other teams are saddled with deals that extend into the 22nd century (Luongo, Lecavalier, Redden and many others). These teams are getting let of a much larger, more painful hook than the Habs.

CrAzYNiNe 01-06-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuggy (Post 57181559)
They are compliance buyouts and will not count against the cap. So those numbers are irrelevant.

But the reason I show the value is because in case we need to buy out 3 due to them sucking and needed cap space for better assets. I believe Kaberle won't be bought out on a compliance buyout since he is the most useful (at least last year, who knows this year) and has the better contract of the 3.

One Man Rock Band 01-06-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzYNiNe (Post 57181355)
Is it official that it's two?

Well here are the 3:

Rene Bourque buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $333,333
2014-15: $1,833,333
2015-16: $1,833,333
2016-17: $1,000,000
2017-18: $1,000,000
2018-19: $1,000,000

Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $4,357,143
2014-15: $1,500,000

Tomas Kaberle buyout from CapGeek.com

2013-14: $1,250,000
2014-15: $1,500,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So by looking at that, Bourque and Gomez are the two worst for us. Gomez has high value for 2 years and Bourque has a lot of small values. Kaberle, unless he really sucks, shouldn't be bought out since he will only have one more year left.

I guess everything depends on what UFA we will try and sign or how tight the budget is next year.

Those numbers don't matter. These two buyouts won't touch the cap. The only thing that matters is their contracts and salary.

Habs 4 Life 01-06-2013 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzYNiNe (Post 57181643)
Code:

Year            Team        League        GP        G        A        PTS        +/-        PPG        PPA        SHG        SHA        GWG        PIM        Shots        PCT        Hits
2011-12        Montreal        NHL        38        5        3        8        -16        0        1        1        0        0        27        67        7.46        38

That's why.... He was really not impressive last year and I was really disappointed. Last year was a loss though, maybe he can be better. Maybe.

Yes but he was a solid player for the Flames. Maybe the trade shocked him or he didn't feel comfortable after the trade but he has proved he can play and score in this league. I would personally hang on

MXD 01-06-2013 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam I Am (Post 57181731)
Another observation: In the rush to rid the team of Gomez and his absurd salary, Habs' fans have not really noticed that the 2-buyout provision of the new CBA actually hurts the Habs more than it helps.

Gomez' deal, however difficult to stomach, is by far the team's worst contract. It expires at the end of next season.

Other teams are saddled with deals that extend into the 22nd century (Luongo, Lecavalier, Redden and many others). These teams are getting let of a much larger, more painful hook than the Habs.

Redden deal expires at the end of last season as well. And TB won't buyout Lecavalier.


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