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Den 01-06-2013 02:32 PM

A KHL roster for the upcoming WHC
 
Assuming that the NHL regular season drags on untill/during the WHC, what would your KHL roster be?

Agalloch1986 01-06-2013 08:32 PM

The first line could potentially be Kovalchuk-Datsyuk-Malkin! They should give the opponents defence fits!

Den 01-07-2013 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57217041)
The first line could potentially be Kovalchuk-Datsyuk-Malkin! They should give the opponents defence fits!

Wow, talk about missing the point...:shakehead

SoundAndFury 01-07-2013 12:33 PM

I'm sure it would be nothing similar to this but that's best team available:

Barulin
Eremenko

Biryukov - Nikulin
Kalinin - Medvedev
A. Belov - Chudinov
Denisov - Ryazantsev/Osipov (this team really could use a right hand shot on PP)

Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Radulov
Zherdev - Kuznetsov - Dadonov
Perezhogin- Tereshchenko - Popov
Zaripov - Syomin - Morozov

That's the team which is good on paper but only few of them are locks. For the sake of team chemistry some of the others would be replaced by one of this group: Ryazantsky, Rylov, Gorokhov, Shirokov, S. Kalinin, Gorovikov, Zinovyev, K. Petrov.

I personally would go with:
Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Radulov >> obvious reasons, best players available and I wouldn't want Kuznetsov on the same line with Mozyakin
Zherdev - Tereshchenko - Petrov >> great line for Ak Bars and Zherdev is pretty close to Darzinsh
Popov - Kuznetsov - Perezhogin >> I'd hope this would be something similar to Popov - Malkin - Perezhogin from last year's WC
Kalinin - Syomin - Dadonov >> some PK guys on energy line with really skilled player in Dadonov, might actually work
Gorovikov as 13th forward, experienced veteran, leadership, two-way ability, "glue" player, can play on any line in all situations and good edition for a team which is not very deep down the middle.

Goalies would be as listed above, would take Gorokhov instead of Chudinov (don't really like him) on D as I think he's more useful on a bottom-pairing and I'm bringing right-haded PP specialist anyway.

Endless bashing for cutting Morozov and Zaripov expected

MaxV 01-07-2013 02:49 PM

Not bad, except Syomin isn't a Center.

Svitov did a good job in last year's WHC, I'd bring him back.

Tikhonov is a possibility also.

SoundAndFury 01-07-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxV (Post 57246725)
Not bad, except Syomin isn't a Center.

Svitov did a good job in last year's WHC, I'd bring him back.

Tikhonov is a possibility also.

Sure he is, he usually centers a line with Frolov and Kostitsyn as his wings. But yes, I simply forgot about Tikhonov and I guess Svitov deserves consideration too. I picked Syomin only because he is right-handed shot but I guess that's not so important for a 4th liner.

Fulcrum 01-07-2013 03:52 PM

I don't ever see Kuznetsov being a center on Bilyaletdinovs team.

Agalloch1986 01-07-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Den (Post 57226585)
Wow, talk about missing the point...:shakehead

I am not "missing the point" they are all playing in the KHL are they not? I would be surprised if they left the KHL to play in the NHL for its abbreviated season. From what I understand doesn't Malkin want to play in the KHL for the 2014 season when the Olympics are on?

SoundAndFury 01-07-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57263495)
I am not "missing the point" they are all playing in the KHL are they not? I would be surprised if they left the KHL to play in the NHL for its abbreviated season. From what I understand doesn't Malkin want to play in the KHL for the 2014 season when the Olympics are on?

Do you understand there are such things as CONTRACTS?

Agalloch1986 01-07-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundAndFury (Post 57264125)
Do you understand there are such things as CONTRACTS?

Yes... and they signed a CONTRACT to play with their respective KHL teams. As Radulov showed a few years ago these contracts don't mean much. :)

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...cuts_salaries/

SoundAndFury 01-07-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57264933)
Yes... and they signed a CONTRACT to play with their respective KHL teams. As Radulov showed a few years ago these contracts don't mean much. :)

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Are you living under a rock or smth?

These fellas signed a lockout contracts meaning they are legit until the end of the lockout. It's not just a usual KHL contract as Radulov's one back in the day. Also it may interest you to know KHL and NHL has since signed and agreement to respect each others contracts which means signing one of NHL'ers would be an infringement of KHL rules too. Marquee players like Malkin, Dats or Kovalchuk not coming back is not a possibility at all (Radulov as you may remember was still on his entry-level deal).

Lastly, what the article from October 23 where Kovalcuk is speaking about salary cuts has to do with anything?

Agalloch1986 01-07-2013 10:12 PM

Yes, why don't you insult me! Good plan! :handclap:

Allow me to highlight a few paragraphs from the article(which you clearly didn't read) for you.

New Jersey Devils star forward Ilya Kovalchuk says he would have no problem staying in the Kontinental Hockey League if the National Hockey League imposes a reduction of player salaries in a new collective bargaining agreement.

In an interview with Sportbox.ru, Kovalchuk said that he and other Russian stars like Evgeni Malkin, Pavel Datsyuk and Ilya Bryzgalov are comfortable playing in their home country and many players would think twice about returning to the NHL.

Last week Washington Capitals superstar Alex Ovechkin also said he would consider staying in Russia if NHL salaries are significantly slashed.

"What we are offered now isn't serious," Kovalchuk said. "Alex Ovechkin and I agree on this. I already discussed this matter with him as well as with Evgeni Malkin, Pavel Datsyuk and Ilya Bryzgalov. We'll wait for other proposals. In the meantime, we are all happy here (in the KHL). If the conditions in the NHL will be unclear, many guys will think twice whether to return there or not."


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-lockout/2012/10/23/ilya_kovalchuk_could_stay_in_khl_if_nhl_cuts_salar ies/

Fulcrum 01-07-2013 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57263495)
I am not "missing the point" they are all playing in the KHL are they not? I would be surprised if they left the KHL to play in the NHL for its abbreviated season. From what I understand doesn't Malkin want to play in the KHL for the 2014 season when the Olympics are on?

stop talking and just watch what happens.

You'll realize very soon that you have no idea what you're talking about.

SoundAndFury 01-08-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57268517)
Yes, why don't you insult me! Good plan! :handclap:

Allow me to highlight a few paragraphs from the article(which you clearly didn't read) for you.

[...]

Would you please tell me where and how I insulted you? I'll try my best to avoid it next time.

And why on earth do you keep quoting article about reduction of the salaries when it is now clear salaries will remain the same?

Agalloch1986 01-08-2013 07:06 PM

Arguing about this is kind of pointless. I hope those players return to the NHL, but I wouldn't blame them if they wanted to stay in the KHL.

SoundAndFury 01-08-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57310231)
Arguing about this is kind of pointless. I hope those players return to the NHL, but I wouldn't blame them if they wanted to stay in the KHL.

Yes it's pointless because as you wrote it everyone exept Kovalchuk, Višnovsky and A. Markov have already left the KHL.

Atas2000 01-09-2013 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundAndFury (Post 57240187)
I'm sure it would be nothing similar to this but that's best team available:

Barulin
Eremenko

Biryukov - Nikulin
Kalinin - Medvedev
A. Belov - Chudinov
Denisov - Ryazantsev/Osipov (this team really could use a right hand shot on PP)

Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Radulov
Zherdev - Kuznetsov - Dadonov
Perezhogin- Tereshchenko - Popov
Zaripov - Syomin - Morozov

That's the team which is good on paper but only few of them are locks. For the sake of team chemistry some of the others would be replaced by one of this group: Ryazantsky, Rylov, Gorokhov, Shirokov, S. Kalinin, Gorovikov, Zinovyev, K. Petrov.

I personally would go with:
Mozyakin - Shipachyov - Radulov >> obvious reasons, best players available and I wouldn't want Kuznetsov on the same line with Mozyakin
Zherdev - Tereshchenko - Petrov >> great line for Ak Bars and Zherdev is pretty close to Darzinsh
Popov - Kuznetsov - Perezhogin >> I'd hope this would be something similar to Popov - Malkin - Perezhogin from last year's WC
Kalinin - Syomin - Dadonov >> some PK guys on energy line with really skilled player in Dadonov, might actually work
Gorovikov as 13th forward, experienced veteran, leadership, two-way ability, "glue" player, can play on any line in all situations and good edition for a team which is not very deep down the middle.

Goalies would be as listed above, would take Gorokhov instead of Chudinov (don't really like him) on D as I think he's more useful on a bottom-pairing and I'm bringing right-haded PP specialist anyway.

Endless bashing for cutting Morozov and Zaripov expected

No ryazantsev, no osipov. Why in the world would they make the team? More than a shot is needed to be there. Denisov is no lock too. I rather see Antipin make the team.
If nhlers are unavailable Moro and Zaripov are locks with Tereschenko at center.
Kuznetsov is no center, period.
Shipa Ketov is a possibility.

Agalloch1986 01-09-2013 08:26 PM

Kovalchuk was saying on Russia Today that he might stay in the KHL. Anyway having a KHL only roster is kind of pointless since Russian players whose teams don't make the playoffs or lose early in the playoffs routinely join the Russian team as we saw with Malkin who tore it up last year.

Dynamo81 01-09-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Agalloch1986 (Post 57370047)
Kovalchuk was saying on Russia Today that he might stay in the KHL. Anyway having a KHL only roster is kind of pointless since Russian players whose teams don't make the playoffs or lose early in the playoffs routinely join the Russian team as we saw with Malkin who tore it up last year.

But he won't, he would only stay if his salary was affected in the NHL due to the new CBA, Ovechkin has said the same thing. Kovalchuk along with Datsyuk will say their good byes at the KHL All Star Game.

SoundAndFury 01-10-2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Atas2000 (Post 57326663)
No ryazantsev, no osipov. Why in the world would they make the team? More than a shot is needed to be there. Denisov is no lock too. I rather see Antipin make the team.
If nhlers are unavailable Moro and Zaripov are locks with Tereschenko at center.
Kuznetsov is no center, period.
Shipa Ketov is a possibility.

My logic was you need to have at least one right-handed shot on PP. And that's my opinion only, I'm no coach.


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