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Kitsy 01-07-2013 11:10 AM

Should Brust be Given a Shot?
 
29 years old so I imagine waivers may be an issue if they wanted to send him back down. Although, likely not a significant one. Irving hasn't shown his mettle in the AHL. What are your thoughts about giving the vet a shot for the back-up role?

InfinityIggy 01-07-2013 11:16 AM

Let him try to outplay Karlsson at camp, if he can then sure why not?

jebus2 01-07-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsy (Post 57236403)
29 years old so I imagine waivers may be an issue if they wanted to send him back down. Although, likely not a significant one. Irving hasn't shown his mettle in the AHL. What are your thoughts about giving the vet a shot for the back-up role?

no point in wasted a contract on a backup goalie in a shortened season. i believe the flames are at 47/50 and begin is on a pto

Ace Rimmer 01-07-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 57236669)
Let him try to outplay Karlsson at camp, if he can then sure why not?

Pretty much this. Danny Taylor too.

InfinityIggy 01-07-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick9 (Post 57236801)
no point in wasted a contract on a backup goalie in a shortened season. i believe the flames are at 47/50 and begin is on a pto

Someone has to play backup, period. If any of our goalies can outplay Karlsson he is very likely to be traded. Maybe even a compliance buyout. I don't think signing a goalie to a 1 year deal will be an issue contract space wise.

Ace Rimmer 01-07-2013 11:45 AM

FWIW

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“Our No. 1 goaltender, we know who that is and where our bread and butter is and that’s Kipper,” said Feaster, while noting that Henrik Karlsson and Leland Irving will compete for the backup job.
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...calgary-bench/

InfinityIggy 01-07-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie Griffin (Post 57237971)

Was expecting this to be an older article, was surprised when it was new. Thats too bad, I really would like to see them all given a chance. I guess someone has to play the games in the AHL right? :(

Noori 01-07-2013 12:20 PM

Having watched Brust play in the AHL, it's very unlikely he makes an effective goaltender in the NHL. He is out of position a lot, and NHL calibre shooters will bury him.

Kitsy 01-07-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Noori (Post 57239555)
Having watched Brust play in the AHL, it's very unlikely he makes an effective goaltender in the NHL. He is out of position a lot, and NHL calibre shooters will bury him.

Interesting. I haven't watched too many Heat games but I would suspect this AHL season would be the best indicator of who can hang in the NHL (considering the NHL talent).

This is widely speculative of course, but I would hazard a guess people said that about Tim Thomas' play when he came up to the big club aa a seasoned vet.

tfong 01-07-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Noori (Post 57239555)
Having watched Brust play in the AHL, it's very unlikely he makes an effective goaltender in the NHL. He is out of position a lot, and NHL calibre shooters will bury him.

Does that mean Irving is that much worse?

Noori 01-07-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tfong (Post 57241381)
Does that mean Irving is that much worse?

Tough to say. Irving hasn't been given a shot. Taylor played well last year and Ward has a history with Brust so he seems to go to those two guys. We'll have to see with Irving in camp.

InfinityIggy 01-07-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Noori (Post 57239555)
Having watched Brust play in the AHL, it's very unlikely he makes an effective goaltender in the NHL. He is out of position a lot, and NHL calibre shooters will bury him.

If this is true, won't they realize that at camp anyway? What do they lose by giving him a look?

FLAMESFAN 01-07-2013 02:42 PM

Brust should get a look. Irving will be given every chance to show that he can claim that spot, I have to say I doubt he will. Taylor has not been that impressive over this 5-6 week stretch and Brust is now the #1.
Screw the politics. I don't care if a goalie is younger, or a first rounder. The best goalie should get the back up job, and Brust deserves that shot. I guess our Euro goalies will not be invited?
Did Karlsson play at all?

TheHudlinator 01-07-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 57242709)
If this is true, won't they realize that at camp anyway? What do they lose by giving him a look?

Someone has to play net for the Heat with Irving in camp that only leaves Taylor and Brust if one gets called up so should the other than we have no goalie on the Heat. If both Irving and Karlson struggle then maybe we go down that road.

FLAMESFAN 01-07-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57246497)
Someone has to play net for the Heat with Irving in camp that only leaves Taylor and Brust if one gets called up so should the other than we have no goalie on the Heat. If both Irving and Karlson struggle then maybe we go down that road.

Taylor stays, and call up joe blow from Utah.

TheHudlinator 01-07-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FLAMESFAN (Post 57246893)
Taylor stays, and call up joe blow from Utah.

Not a bad idea only problem would be getting enough playing time to determine between the bottom 3. I still say run with Karlsson/Irving (who ever wins) and if they both struggle in camp then think about Brust.

InfinityIggy 01-07-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57247201)
Not a bad idea only problem would be getting enough playing time to determine between the bottom 3. I still say run with Karlsson/Irving (who ever wins) and if they both struggle in camp then think about Brust.

What about sending Karlsson down and bringing Brust to camp? :naughty:

Ace Rimmer 01-07-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 57242709)
If this is true, won't they realize that at camp anyway? What do they lose by giving him a look?

More looks at Irving / Karlsson?

InfinityIggy 01-07-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie Griffin (Post 57249899)
More looks at Irving / Karlsson?

True, I am pretty sure they know what they have in Karlsson though.

TheHudlinator 01-07-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 57247665)
What about sending Karlsson down and bringing Brust to camp? :naughty:

That's fine by me but I would like to at least give Karlsson a look in camp. Brust plays an unorthodox method (much like Thomas) so he will most either thrive or fail miserably but I don't think giving him a look is a bad idea.

TheHudlinator 01-07-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 57250399)
True, I am pretty sure they know what they have in Karlsson though.

I don't know his first season and second season was night and day. His first season he looked like a competent backup but his second year he looked terrible I think they want to see which one he is this year.

Calculon 01-07-2013 04:51 PM

Backup position is Irving's to lose, assuming Feaster and co. were being honest when they said 1-way contracts don't guarantee a roster spot.

Qubax 01-07-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie Griffin (Post 57237971)

I am fine with Irving having a chance as the back-up. Happy infact. But what I don't get is how this follows the whole meritocracy thing.

I mean if Irving was always going to get a chance to be the back-up in Calgary over Taylor and Brust, then why aren't they playing Leland more?

It just doesn't make sense.

For what it's worth, I think Irving has the highest potential, but I am also okay with the meritocracy thing...it just seems like the organization is being hypocritical is all.

HighLifeMan 01-07-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Qubax (Post 57255981)
I am fine with Irving having a chance as the back-up. Happy infact. But what I don't get is how this follows the whole meritocracy thing.

I mean if Irving was always going to get a chance to be the back-up in Calgary over Taylor and Brust, then why aren't they playing Leland more?

It just doesn't make sense.

For what it's worth, I think Irving has the highest potential, but I am also okay with the meritocracy thing...it just seems like the organization is being hypocritical is all.

Troy Ward has his way about handling certain situations and so do Flames management. As much as we all want too believe that Jay Feaster/John Weisbrod control every aspect of this organization from top to bottom that simply is not true.

It's clear that Troy Ward favored Taylor and Brust over Irving due to what they had done in the past for him specifically, So I don't see the harm in Feaster favoring Irving for the very same reasons.

You could also make the argument that meritocracy only works if everyone is given a fair opportunity, and I am certain if you were to ask Irving he would agree with that.

The fact is Irving has proven he can hold his own at the NHL level, while the other two have not. Thus in the eyes of Flames management he has earned the opportunity to battle for the back up spot.

KiwiFlamesFan 01-07-2013 07:28 PM

What are the chances Brust gets a shot in camp next season? Never know what could happen in this short season and Karlsson/Irving could both possibly be gone given their respective circumstances.


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