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Fred Taylor 01-07-2013 05:40 PM

Better skater: Bobby Orr vs. Paul Coffey
 
Who do you think was the better skater? I think it's Coffey by a hair.

LeBlondeDemon10 01-07-2013 06:12 PM

If you factor in effort to get back into one's own zone, its Orr. Orr was too reckless with his skating though. It cost him, but that's the style he played. Coffey simply avoided players and he was sneaky fast. He could glide right by you and it didn't look like he was putting in any effort. Their difference in styles could be indicative of the eras of which they grew up. Coffey had the European influence, although I'm not aware if this was a factor for him. I've never seen anyone skate like Coffey. Draw.

Concordski 01-07-2013 06:13 PM

It depends on whether Orr was injured or not.

Gee Wally 01-07-2013 06:14 PM

From my own observations of both, Orr.

Dennis Bonvie 01-07-2013 06:26 PM

Orr had more gears. His instant acceleration was amazing.

But no one ever looked as effortless at top speed as Coffey.

Killion 01-07-2013 06:27 PM

Orr. Had far more strength throughout his frame, faster shift up & into overdrive....

BraveCanadian 01-07-2013 06:48 PM

At their respective bests it is about as close to a draw as any poll on here could be until Orrs knees start to go.

Orr stood out more due both to his era and the incredible effortlessness of Coffey.

That all said Orr will win in a landslide because on this board he is a superhero.

Canadiens1958 01-07-2013 06:56 PM

Skating
 
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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 57254771)
Orr. Had far more strength throughout his frame, faster shift up & into overdrive....

Both could skate but only Bobby Orr could dance on skates, better lateral movement and backwards.

Hawkman 01-07-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian (Post 57255669)
At their respective bests it is about as close to a draw as any poll on here could be until Orrs knees start to go. Orr stood out more due both to his era and the incredible effortlessness of Coffey. That all said Orr will win in a landslide because on this board he is a superhero.

Agreed. Also, this board loves dmen. I started attending NHL games in 66 and I love Orr. He's my all time favorite player. Period. That having been said if the Big 4 all came out in the same draft and the GMs magically (just go with it) knew what their regular season career totals would be, Orr would always be picked 4th. I'm not saying he's not the best ever, but the other Big 4 are not as far behind as some think.

Supreme King 01-07-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Taylor (Post 57252487)
Who do you think was the better skater? I think it's Coffey by a hair.

Rule Number #1 on this board: Do not ever put Bobby Orr in any poll because he will win every one of them no matter what. If you asked the question of best fighter in NHL history, Orr would be mentioned.

Now, back to your question. Overall, the answer is Coffey.

85highlander 01-07-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme King (Post 57258071)
If you asked the question of best fighter in NHL history, Orr would be mentioned.

Yup -- he was. Didn't win them all by knockout, but was a tenacious fighter nevertheless. No need to take my word for it...here's an article written by a boxing expert and analyst. Orr gets a very favorable review...

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/New...95546-sun.html

Rhiessan71 01-07-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 57256021)
Both could skate but only Bobby Orr could dance on skates, better lateral movement and backwards.

About sums it up.

Straight line, it could go either way but acceleration, turning, mobility, backwards...Orr without question.

Dark Shadows 01-07-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhiessan71 (Post 57266867)
About sums it up.

Straight line, it could go either way but acceleration, turning, mobility, backwards...Orr without question.

Exactly.

Psycho Papa Joe 01-07-2013 11:07 PM

Skates improved immeasurably between the time Orr played his peak and Coffey played his peak just over a decade later. IMO give Orr the skates Coffey had available to him and Orr looks even better.

Canadiens1958 01-07-2013 11:14 PM

Alternative
 
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Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 57268213)
Skates improved immeasurably between the time Orr played his peak and Coffey played his peak just over a decade later. IMO give Orr the skates Coffey had available to him and Orr looks even better.

In the alternative put Paul Coffey on a small rink for all his home games and the skating will be less impressive.

Psycho Papa Joe 01-07-2013 11:27 PM

Here are Orr's skates for the 74-75 season:

http://pics.classicauctions.net/clas..._112_52130.jpg

These are Coffey's in 86-87:

http://pics.classicauctions.net/clas..._277_76210.jpg

seventieslord 01-07-2013 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 57268213)
Skates improved immeasurably between the time Orr played his peak and Coffey played his peak just over a decade later. IMO give Orr the skates Coffey had available to him and Orr looks even better.

That is a good point and indirectly why I chose Orr.

I watch Coffey skate, I think "man, that is one smooth skater". I watch Orr, I think "that guy is on a whole other level from everyone else on the ice". He just had more natural ability.

Psycho Papa Joe 01-07-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 57268607)
In the alternative put Paul Coffey on a small rink for all his home games and the skating will be less impressive.

Coffey also had the benefit of playing on the finest piece of ice in NHL history to that point. Damn they made good ice at Northlands.

Killion 01-07-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhiessan71 (Post 57266867)
Straight line, it could go either way but acceleration, turning, mobility, backwards...Orr without question.

Absolutely. Orr played as a forward from ages 5-10, his Coach Bucko McDonald moving him to what he felt was his "natural position" at that age, his father Doug actually disagreeing with the decision at the time but after watching the results....

then there was the matter of Orr's access to natural ice as a kid, a river running into Georgian Bay from his home in Parry Sound (and free outdoor rinks as well); glare ice, bubbled & choppy at other times and areas and miles of it. Even just ragging a puck in a solitary pursuit, that'll teach you how you how to "dance", training ones vision to see ahead & down while keeping your head up, a myriad of obstacles & hazards to be cognizant of.

Coffey was born in 61 & grew up in Weston & played in the GTHL. Free outdoor rinks certainly available & fairly plentiful in Toronto during that period, though whether or not he had access to any of them in his neighbourhood I know not as the biographical inf on his upbringing is fairly light. Obviously beyond the innate ability however, I'd imagine he just must have played a lot of shinny somewhere and did have a local rink, as it takes a considerable amount of confidence learned through free play as a kid to have been able to cycle & make the moves he did.

Both of them had that peculiar bow legged stance, though in Orrs' case it was far more pronounced (Bourque another in that mold), Coffey more a flat track thoroughbred runner to Orr, who was more akin to a Steeplechase racer with a bit of Hunter & Jumper thrown in for good measure. As adept on the flats as he was at facing obstacles.

Canadiens1958 01-07-2013 11:42 PM

Definitely True
 
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Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 57269625)
Coffey also had the benefit of playing on the finest piece of ice in NHL history to that point. Damn they made good ice at Northlands.

Definitely true. I'll leave it up to you to explain the importance and difference.

Another key point in this regard is that the Bruins during Orr's career played a fair number of their home games at the Garden, Sunday evening after a Celtic's afternoon game.

Canadiens1958 01-07-2013 11:44 PM

Sixties
 
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Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 57269339)
Here are Orr's skates for the 74-75 season:

http://pics.classicauctions.net/clas..._112_52130.jpg

These are Coffey's in 86-87:

http://pics.classicauctions.net/clas..._277_76210.jpg

The mid seventies skates are a marked improvement over the sixties skates Orr used before the knee injuries took their toll.

Killion 01-07-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 57270285)
The mid seventies skates are a marked improvement over the sixties skates...

Outlawed. They ought to have banned Tuuk Chassis systems when they were introduced. Like skating on egg cartons.... then the helmets, followed by the masks, followed by the carbon fibre sticks, followed by the....

its all gone ta Hell in a Handbasket as far Im concerned. Unwatchable. I need a smoke. :GWC::wally:

tombombadil 01-08-2013 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian (Post 57255669)
At their respective bests it is about as close to a draw as any poll on here could be until Orrs knees start to go.

Orr stood out more due both to his era and the incredible effortlessness of Coffey.

That all said Orr will win in a landslide because on this board he is a superhero.

Agree with every single point.

ot92s 01-08-2013 06:27 AM

lol...not close. watch them both play.

orr was faster, more creative, more agile. with worse equipment.

coffee skated more like bobby hull.

Big Phil 01-08-2013 10:54 PM

You know, it can go either way really. This is one of those cases where I think Coffey is equal. We all know about his effortless strides but what get's overlooked is that even though he was going so smooth out there just watch how he blows by everyone. It kind of reminds me of Fedorov or Lafleur. They were smooth and lovely to watch but they blew by the rest of the pack when they were skating by them. Same with Coffey, he glided better than others skated hard.

Obviously Orr was much of the same way and made it look easy. Really a great poll.


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