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KrisBeKreame 01-08-2013 01:44 PM

Niklas Hjalmarsson
 
With The Islanders big whole that was just opened in thier top 4 they will be looking at options. It was sujested by a blackhawks fan that Niklas Hjalmarsson might be available. What type of return would Chicago be looking for?

Beukeboom Fan 01-08-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisBeKreame (Post 57291503)
With The Islanders big whole that was just opened in thier top 4 they will be looking at options. It was sujested by a blackhawks fan that Niklas Hjalmarsson might be available. What type of return would Chicago be looking for?

Goal would be a legit 2nd line center. IMO, Hawks would add to Hjalmarsson if necessary depending on the quality of the 2nd line center.

KrisBeKreame 01-08-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Beukeboom Fan (Post 57291851)
Goal would be a legit 2nd line center. IMO, Hawks would add to Hjalmarsson if necessary depending on the quality of the 2nd line center.

The closest the Islanders could do on that is Fran Nielsen whom is holding down that spot till strome or Nelson are ready to claim it from him.

Beukeboom Fan 01-08-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisBeKreame (Post 57292213)
The closest the Islanders could do on that is Fran Nielsen whom is holding down that spot till strome or Nelson are ready to claim it from him.

I think that the Hawks would likely be willing to do that as the core of the deal. Smaller additions could be added on either side to balance the trade out as needed.

Would the Isle be willing to move Nielsen, because that deal opens one roster spot to fill another.

KrisBeKreame 01-08-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beukeboom Fan (Post 57294153)
I think that the Hawks would likely be willing to do that as the core of the deal. Smaller additions could be added on either side to balance the trade out as needed.

Would the Isle be willing to move Nielsen, because that deal opens one roster spot to fill another.

Personally I would as Strome/Nelson could fill the the #2C whole well enough if the defence is stable. I would not be unhappy with

Moulson - Tavares - Okposo
Bailey - Strome/Nelson - Boyes
Joensuu - Cizikas - Grabner
Martin - Reasoner - Ullstrom
Boulton

Striet - Hamonic
MacDonald - Hjalmarsson
Martinek - Carkner
Donovon/Wishart

DisgruntledHawkFan 01-08-2013 03:03 PM

I would love Nielsen. Absolutely love.

Hawkaholic 01-08-2013 03:07 PM

I'm all over Neilsen if possible.

Hjalmarsson + Pirri?

DisgruntledHawkFan 01-08-2013 03:23 PM

Nielsen is Bolland minus the attitude.

digdug41982 01-08-2013 03:38 PM

Yeah, we've talked about this one before. Both sides tend to agree on it but what holds it up is the Isles getting a center to replace Nielsen. Hopefully Strome is ready because this deal helps both teams.

KrisBeKreame 01-08-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 57295791)
I'm all over Neilsen if possible.

Hjalmarsson + Pirri?

I think this would be a great deal personally. One that would be very hard to pass up. Could you tell me more about Pirri than i could find in his hockey future profile?

Jester9881 01-08-2013 05:49 PM

Casey Cizikas could fill Frans shoes nicely IMO. Always been a big fan of Hammer. I'd be surprised if the Isles traded him right after signing him to a long term deal though..... but, stranger things have happened.

deytookerjaabs 01-08-2013 05:53 PM

The only thing I don't like is the deal makes us more reliant on one or both of Montador/Oduya, two guys who I hoped would not be on our top four. Montador's been injury prone and Oduya is good one game, awful the next. Hammer is the same player every night and that kind of consistency allows for better coaching.

Beukeboom Fan 01-08-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs (Post 57304481)
The only thing I don't like is the deal makes us more reliant on one or both of Montador/Oduya, two guys who I hoped would not be on our top four. Montador's been injury prone and Oduya is good one game, awful the next. Hammer is the same player every night and that kind of consistency allows for better coaching.

While that's true, Nielsen >>>> Kruger or Pirri. With signing Roszival & Brookback, the Hawks blueline can better afford to move Hjalmarson IMO.

DisgruntledHawkFan 01-08-2013 06:14 PM

Pirri is an undersized skill player with a wicked shot. He's one of my favorite prospects, but bringing in a proven center blocks him.

KrisBeKreame 01-09-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester9881 (Post 57304305)
Casey Cizikas could fill Frans shoes nicely IMO. Always been a big fan of Hammer. I'd be surprised if the Isles traded him right after signing him to a long term deal though..... but, stranger things have happened.

I really think he could too. The Only question would be on the Isles 2nd line. Could Strome or Nelson take over the #2c this season or would a platoon of Boyes and Bailey be the answer. I would be more comfortable with Strome being slotted at #2c knowing two of Okposo/Bailey/Boyes are on his wings as they can handle the defncive inexperience of Strome. That with a stable above average Blueline makes me think its quite doable.

Moulson - Tavares - Boyes
Bailey - Strome - Okposo
Joensuu - Cizikas - Grabner
Martin - Reasoner - Ullstrom
Boulton

Streit - Hamonic
Hjalmarsson - MacDonald
Martinek - Carkner

With Donovon as first call up

WeridAl 01-09-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisBeKreame (Post 57330489)
I really think he could too. The Only question would be on the Isles 2nd line. Could Strome or Nelson take over the #2c this season or would a platoon of Boyes and Bailey be the answer. I would be more comfortable with Strome being slotted at #2c knowing two of Okposo/Bailey/Boyes are on his wings as they can handle the defncive inexperience of Strome. That with a stable above average Blueline makes me think its quite doable.

Moulson - Tavares - Boyes
Bailey - Strome - Okposo
Joensuu - Cizikas - Grabner
Martin - Reasoner - Ullstrom
Boulton

Streit - Hamonic
Hjalmarsson - MacDonald
Martinek - Carkner


With Donovon as first call up

Wouldn't you think that would be best to have Carkner pair with MacDonald, to give that 2nd pairing some grit. Otherwise Hjalmarsson and MacDonald would make a pretty soft pair.

KrisBeKreame 01-09-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 57331891)
Wouldn't you think that would be best to have Carkner pair with MacDonald, to give that 2nd pairing some grit. Otherwise Hjalmarsson and MacDonald would make a pretty soft pair.

True but you could also put Hjalmarsson and Hamonic on a line together and put Striet and MacDonald together. I'm just not sure how well Carkner can play 2nd pairing minutes.

Blackhawkswincup 01-09-2013 01:00 PM

Solid pick (Maybe a 2nd) + Solid prospect should be enough IMO

Hawkaholic 01-09-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 57339183)
Solid pick (Maybe a 2nd) + Solid prospect should be enough IMO

We don't need picks or prospects.

WeridAl 01-09-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisBeKreame (Post 57338329)
True but you could also put Hjalmarsson and Hamonic on a line together and put Striet and MacDonald together. I'm just not sure how well Carkner can play 2nd pairing minutes.

Hjalmarsson ended up playing 3rd pairing minutes last season, you can question can he handle it. NYI has some nice prospects that are almost ready, might be a good idea to give them a shot.

Hawkaholic 01-09-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 57339525)
Hjalmarsson ended up playing 3rd pairing minutes last season, you can question can he handle it. NYI has some nice prospects that are almost ready, might be a good idea to give them a shot.

He also had a concussion that slowed him down, he was 2nd pairing before that injury. He was also 2nd pairing on the cup winning team.

SenzZen 01-09-2013 01:08 PM

Hang on: you Hawks fans would add to Hjalmarsson for Nielsen?

rockinghockey 01-09-2013 01:11 PM

I think these two teams could work out a deal

WeridAl 01-09-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkaholic (Post 57339611)
He also had a concussion that slowed him down, he was 2nd pairing before that injury. He was also 2nd pairing on the cup winning team.

Its funny, you keep on living in the past, wake up and its the present. From the looks of things the Hawks management don't have much faith in Hammer, with the signing of Rozsival, Brookbank and resigning of Oduya. Then there is rumor that the Hawks were shopping Hammer around, most part it was due to his salary, but in part he wasn't filling out to his potential.

Hjalmarsson is a good position D and a great shot blocker, but he has no grit, which you need to be a good 2nd pairing stay at home D.

blinkman360 01-09-2013 01:20 PM

Please don't trade Nielsen. I know the Isles need D but I'd rather package picks/prospects for it. Nielsen is one of our few quality veterans. Plus he's our best defensive forward, best PKer, is good for 40-50 points and is one of the top shootout performers in the league(if not THE top player in the shootout. Haven't seen the numbers recently but I know he had the best career % at some point last season).

If Chi-Town isn't interested in picks/prospects I'd just look elsewhere. So much uncertainty with Strome/Nelson/Cizikas, I don't think it would be wise to part with Nielsen at this point barring some sort of ridiculous overpayment.


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