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kresco 01-08-2013 08:10 PM

Calgary - Edmonton
 
With the addition of the salary cap trading that is apparently rumored to be included in the CBA http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...re-cba-details

Flames get: Sam Gagner (1 year $3.2)
keep $1.5 of Bowmeesters salary for each of the two years

Oilers get:
Bowmeester (2 years $6.68 - $1.5 = $5.18)

Oilers get a speedy 1-2 Defenceman who will be able to keep up with their fast young team at a $5M salary for 2 years
Flames get a great young C who could fit anywhere from lines 1-3

Eskimo44 01-08-2013 08:32 PM

The Oilers cannot move Sam Gagner unless another center is coming back. Not only that they are arguably selling a big piece of their future for a minor short term gain. I would like Bouwmeester but not at the cost of a key piece. I think this deal is essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul. Value wise it's reasonable.

Flames rebuilder 01-08-2013 08:50 PM

Wow, where do I start! This is something I may consider doing for a young center, top line potential, say Duchene. Gagner will be a good second line center but he doesn't have top line potential. Bouwmeester could return a less developed prospect, with the same potential, easily. No chance!

Johnny Bravo 01-08-2013 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 57315165)
Wow, where do I start! This is something I may consider doing for a young center, top line potential, say Duchene. Gagner will be a good second line center but he doesn't have top line potential. Bouwmeester could return a less developed prospect, with the same potential, easily. No chance!

Bouwmeester for Duchene:laugh::help:

capitalsrock 01-08-2013 09:13 PM

Bouwmeester, Baertschi for Duchene

Money Baer 01-08-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kresco (Post 57313195)
With the addition of the salary cap trading that is apparently rumored to be included in the CBA http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...re-cba-details

Flames get: Sam Gagner (1 year $3.2)
keep $1.5 of Bowmeesters salary for each of the two years

Oilers get:
Bowmeester (2 years $6.68 - $1.5 = $5.18)

Oilers get a speedy 1-2 Defenceman who will be able to keep up with their fast young team at a $5M salary for 2 years
Flames get a great young C who could fit anywhere from lines 1-3

Throw in you 2013 1st, otherwise, no. (this is only if the Flames are out of the picture come trade deadline)

Flames rebuilder 01-08-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo (Post 57315863)
Bouwmeester for Duchene:laugh::help:

I think a lot of people would be surprised what a 5 million Bouwmeester could return. Duchene for a 5 mill Jbow is closer than Gagner, you'd have to add at full price. I'd probably consider Gagner and Musil for Jbow at 5

zeus3007* 01-08-2013 09:20 PM

I don't want Bouwmeester for free. Not giving up our #2 center to get him for sure.

Flames rebuilder 01-08-2013 09:22 PM

Don't worry, no chance of getting him for that and I like Gagner

Money Baer 01-08-2013 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeus3007 (Post 57316483)
I don't want Bouwmeester for free. Not giving up our #2 center to get him for sure.

Right. Jbow would be your best defence-man.

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Calgary and Edmonton are not good trading partners. This thread will only get ugly.

Pekka Rinne 01-08-2013 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 57316427)
I think a lot of people would be surprised what a 5 million Bouwmeester could return. Duchene for a 5 mill Jbow is closer than Gagner, you'd have to add at full price. I'd probably consider Gagner and Musil for Jbow at 5

LOL, you think Bouwmeester at 5 million is a bargain?!:laugh: No.

Qrispy 01-08-2013 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wally31 (Post 57317999)
Right. Jbow would be your best defence-man.

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Calgary and Edmonton are not good trading partners. This thread will only get ugly.

Jbo would be Smid?

kresco 01-08-2013 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YakuBOT (Post 57320249)
Jbo would be Smid?

Smid isn't god enough to tie Bowmeesters skates

Eskimo44 01-08-2013 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 57316427)
I think a lot of people would be surprised what a 5 million Bouwmeester could return. Duchene for a 5 mill Jbow is closer than Gagner, you'd have to add at full price. I'd probably consider Gagner and Musil for Jbow at 5

No Bouwmeester for Duchene is not close at all. Like it's entirely ridculous. As one poster said a guy like Baertschi is going the other way if you want a guy like that.

Eskimo44 01-08-2013 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YakuBOT (Post 57320249)
Jbo would be Smid?

hahaha

Qrispy 01-08-2013 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kresco (Post 57321299)
Smid isn't god enough to tie Bowmeesters skates

Both play tough minutes but one was +4 on a bottom feeding team while the other was -21 on a near-playoff team.

And I'll just leave this here...


zeus3007* 01-08-2013 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wally31 (Post 57317999)
Right. Jbow would be your best defence-man.

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Calgary and Edmonton are not good trading partners. This thread will only get ugly.

JBow has never won anything in his life. Not even in junior. And I don't just mean championships, but a playoff birth. I don't think a guy can do something for so long and still not be able to help a single team get to the playoffs. It might just be bad luck, but even then...I don't want that luck in Edmonton, we've had enough of it.

Plus he's overpaid and doesn't bring much to our team.

judge301 01-09-2013 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo (Post 57315863)
Bouwmeester for Duchene:laugh::help:

Did something terrible happen to Duchene? Did he lose a leg or arm? Colorado hangs up before uncle Fester says Du. I can't see any logic that would support Colorado trading an uber talented kid that will likely play the next 20 years, as an allstar for many of those, for a defenseman that is on the downside of a career. That never seemed to live up to the hype and is overpaid...

kresco 01-09-2013 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eskimo44 (Post 57314277)
The Oilers cannot move Sam Gagner unless another center is coming back. Not only that they are arguably selling a big piece of their future for a minor short term gain. I would like Bouwmeester but not at the cost of a key piece. I think this deal is essentially robbing Peter to pay Paul. Value wise it's reasonable.

I absolutely love this site. Everyone wants and thinks they can get a major piece without giving one up. If you want Bowmeester you have to give a key peice to get a key peice. I am a flames fan and I love!!! Bowmeester. He brings so much more to the table than everyone on HF realizes. Losing bowmeester would hurt the flames as well, its not like we give him him up easily. We essentially lose a top 1-2 def man for a 2nd line center.

kresco 01-09-2013 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YakuBOT (Post 57322173)
Both play tough minutes but one was +4 on a bottom feeding team while the other was -21 on a near-playoff team.

And I'll just leave this here...


hahaha once again someone who looks at paper stats. Who was Smid's partner? Was Smid matched up consitantly agains the Malkin's / Stamko's of the league? Bowmeester was paired with Butler a kid who couldnt crack Buffalo's line up even on the bottom paring. Bowmeester was then matched up against the top offensive lines in the NHL with a guy who would be a 5-6 Def max on most teams. He was not given alot of PP time as we was used alot for the PK. Yes $6.8 is alot for bowmeester but when his contract is up I would gladly pay 4.5 -5 to resign him. I watched almost every game last year and Bowmeester is a amazing player who has sacrificed the glory of tons of points by buying into a system that would use him in a shutdown role which was best for the team. He was also playing on a team with only 2 people who broke the 50 point barrier with no one who score 70 points. and only 4 people beat the 30 point mark. Edmonton had 8 who beat the 30 point mark.

Royal Canuck 01-09-2013 01:00 AM

What about this...

To :edmonton
D Jay Bouwmeester
C Matt Stajan

To :flames
C Sam Gagner
D Ladislav Smid
EDM 2014 3rd

Just trying to liberate both sides here by adding what it sounds like each team wants.

gooilgo 01-09-2013 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royal Canuck (Post 57324435)
What about this...

To :edmonton
D Jay Bouwmeester
C Matt Stajan

To :flames
C Sam Gagner
D Ladislav Smid
EDM 2014 3rd

Just trying to liberate both sides here by adding what it sounds like each team wants.

I wouldn't trade Smid for JBlow straight up. No just no.

HellsBells 01-09-2013 01:33 AM

Welcome to HFBoards... where guys like Ladislav Smid can be better Jay Bouwmeester.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Roof Daddy 01-09-2013 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kresco (Post 57324127)
hahaha once again someone who looks at paper stats. Who was Smid's partner? Was Smid matched up consitantly agains the Malkin's / Stamko's of the league? Bowmeester was paired with Butler a kid who couldnt crack Buffalo's line up even on the bottom paring. Bowmeester was then matched up against the top offensive lines in the NHL with a guy who would be a 5-6 Def max on most teams. He was not given alot of PP time as we was used alot for the PK. Yes $6.8 is alot for bowmeester but when his contract is up I would gladly pay 4.5 -5 to resign him. I watched almost every game last year and Bowmeester is a amazing player who has sacrificed the glory of tons of points by buying into a system that would use him in a shutdown role which was best for the team. He was also playing on a team with only 2 people who broke the 50 point barrier with no one who score 70 points. and only 4 people beat the 30 point mark. Edmonton had 8 who beat the 30 point mark.

Smid's partner was Petry who was shaky in the early goings, but really came into his own in the last third of the season. I truly believe this was because of what Smid brought to the table. And yes, the Smid-Petry pairing were our top pair in the latter half of the season and played the tough minutes. The only thing JBo has over Smid is skating and offensive instincts. Smid is superior in every other facet. I wouldn't mind having JBo paired with Justin Schultz, but not if the price to acquire him is anywhere close to the Duchene tag one Flames fan suggested. Good luck with that.

gooilgo 01-09-2013 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellsBells (Post 57325063)
Welcome to HFBoards... where guys like Ladislav Smid can be better Jay Bouwmeester.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Please humor us as to how JBlow would be a better fit in Edmonton than Ladi taking all factors into account.


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