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Chris Cutter 01-10-2013 05:25 PM

Carey Price has a specific objective for this season
 
http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouve...ce-199964.html

Pretty much says that he has to get better on Shootouts, says it's always been one of his biggest weakness. Also mentions that he lost 11 pounds during the summer to be more quick and agile.

Myron Gaines* 01-10-2013 05:31 PM

I always thought shutouts and breakaways were one of his strengths....until last year.

Natey 01-10-2013 05:34 PM

He's great on in-game breakaways. Terrible in shootouts.

Ghetto Sangria 01-10-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Myron Gaines (Post 57412105)
I always thought shutouts and breakaways were one of his strengths....until last year.

Only reason is because of that WJC game against the Americans, where his record wasn't that great. It was impressive more because of how calm he was in the net.

HarlemsFinest 01-10-2013 05:44 PM

i would have goals to play well enough to not have to face shootouts in the first place. instead of conceding that team play will be poor enough to make it a neccessity to be solid in the shootout quite often.

Agnostic 01-10-2013 05:47 PM

His terrible shootout record and 3rd period mediocrity tells me that more time with a sports psych. would be a good investment.

Boris Le Tigre 01-10-2013 05:58 PM

I think him loosing 11 pounds is a great sign.

WeThreeKings 01-10-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Agnostic (Post 57412787)
His terrible shootout record and 3rd period mediocrity tells me that more time with a sports psych. would be a good investment.

A sports psychologist is a good investment for ANY professional athlete. However 3rd period "mediocrity" is more indicative of the team than Price himself.

Most people in this thread are right. Price hasn't been bad at shootouts in the past but he had a few rough stretches that brought out this stigma that he's bad at shootouts. That being said, he is a lot better on in-game shootouts. There's a reason for this. Players don't have as much time in-game so the movements are made quicker, Price's lateral movement, size and spectacular fundamentals makes him defeat shooters with ease. When in a shootout, the player has a longer time to make his move, make Price wait and therefore the problem is more to do with patience and waiting out the shooter than it is his technical ability to stop breakaways.

One Less Louise 01-10-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Cutter (Post 57411823)
http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouve...ce-199964.html

Pretty much says that he has to get better on Shootouts, says it's always been one of his biggest weakness. Also mentions that he lost 11 pounds during the summer to be more quick and agile.

Price is out to lunch. SO are basically a coin toss. He should focus on not getting to SO and winning games in regulation.

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Originally Posted by HarlemsFinest (Post 57412671)
i would have goals to play well enough to not have to face shootouts in the first place. instead of conceding that team play will be poor enough to make it a neccessity to be solid in the shootout quite often.

Amen, should have read the thread before replying.

Hackett 01-10-2013 06:48 PM

He must be pretty happy where he's at if he is looking at breakaway competitions as his main focus of improvement.

HarlemsFinest 01-10-2013 06:53 PM

he goes up and down, he loses 10 pounds before every season. if it were actual lost weight from baseline, he'd weigh negative 30 pounds and would float to ze moon.

Bullsmith 01-10-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Agnostic (Post 57412787)
His terrible shootout record and 3rd period mediocrity tells me that more time with a sports psych. would be a good investment.

For myself this is exactly what I want to hear from Price. With a guy like that it's all about desire to win. He's got the package, how badly does he want it? Roy wanted is BAAAAAAAD, for instance.

A sports psych might be a great idea for Price, if he was into it. With Roy I'm not sure I wanted a sports psych anywhere near him (not suggesting you said hed.

I feel Price is still at an age where people can grow enormously, especially in terms of the kind of mental focus and confidence that goalies need to possess. Everyone else in hockey plays shifts, goalies can go through fifteen shifts without facing a threatening shot, then be called on to make fifteen saves in the next three. Sports psychologist or not, I'm glad Price recognizes his weaknesses and is targeting them.

The shootout itself is something I think almost any player can improve on enormously. Look at Saku Koivu. Went from zero to hero in one offseason in that department. Extra practice and major time spent watching tape could pay off significantly for a guy like Price. With his skating and lateral movement, he's more than got the tools to stay with shooters.

Lshap 01-10-2013 07:14 PM

Agree that we would never have had so many shut-outs in the first place if the team hadn't screwed up so many third-periods.

But once we were there, it's true that Price was awful for most of the season. SOs are as much about psychology as skill, and he was totally psyched out. But he DID start improving and seemed to be gaining confidence near the end. A good sign.

We have a top-seven or eight goalie who's still improving. Let's not fall into the same trap that we accuse Price of: Over-thinking. All this talk of psychologists suggests there's more of a problem than simple maturity and coaching.

NewEraGM 01-10-2013 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HarlemsFinest (Post 57412671)
i would have goals to play well enough to not have to face shootouts in the first place. instead of conceding that team play will be poor enough to make it a neccessity to be solid in the shootout quite often.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Taking penalties are bad too, doesn't mean you don't practice your pk...

HarlemsFinest 01-10-2013 07:29 PM

for anyone who may have forgotten, we do have a team psych now.

and i know my tone was negative, and i understand the context of what he meant i was just playfully saying they should try not getting into those situations in the first place, and where it doesn't matter how much you practice the shootout because you seldom get there. admirable goal, just a bit misplaced.

but he meant it more in the way that if there was one aspect of his personal game that he could work on, it would be that.

Young Gun 01-10-2013 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Agnostic (Post 57412787)
His terrible shootout record and 3rd period mediocrity tells me that more time with a sports psych. would be a good investment.

Maybe wasting your breathe, I talked about that all last season, people will think your crazy too...lol
Your right on the mark here, it was sad to watch last season, I blame the goalie coach for last season...maybe Carey has caught on himself, he has it in him to turn it all around.

Kriss E 01-10-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by E = CH² (Post 57414905)
Price is out to lunch. SO are basically a coin toss. He should focus on not getting to SO and winning games in regulation.



Amen, should have read the thread before replying.

Shootoots will still happen. Last year, the lowest shootout presence was 6. That's 6 points. Do i need to explain how does 6 pts could make a différence? And Thats for the lowest team. It can go up to 20.

shutehinside 01-10-2013 08:05 PM

I was hoping he'd want to win the cup as his goal.

That being said, Habs lost all but 2 of their OT games last year and they were in OT a lot!

Jigger77 01-10-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shutehinside (Post 57418171)
I was hoping he'd want to win the cup as his goal.

That being said, Habs lost all but 2 of their OT games last year and they were in OT a lot!

That's also because other than the Desharnais line they couldn't score to save their lives.

WeThreeKings 01-10-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shutehinside (Post 57418171)
I was hoping he'd want to win the cup as his goal.

That being said, Habs lost all but 2 of their OT games last year and they were in OT a lot!

Do you know how goal setting works?

The number one reason why people don't achieve their goals? They set unrealistic goals that look so monstrous at first sight that they give up. Your ultimate goal has to be broken down into incremental smaller goals that are achievable so your success and improvement can be monitored.

shutehinside 01-10-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WeThreeKings (Post 57418305)
Do you know how goal setting works?

The number one reason why people don't achieve their goals? They set unrealistic goals that look so monstrous at first sight that they give up. Your ultimate goal has to be broken down into incremental smaller goals that are achievable so your success and improvement can be monitored.

Why so serious? Just having fun with Price bud. Besides, winning the cup should be EVERY players ultimate goal.

WeThreeKings 01-10-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shutehinside (Post 57418547)
Why so serious? Just having fun with Price bud.

Just transference is all. Nothing personal to you. It bugs me when people don't understand goal-setting. All I see on my facebook is whiney people who complain about not achieving anything in their lives but can't take advice on how to correct the rather simple mistakes they are making.

One Less Louise 01-10-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kriss E (Post 57418131)
Shootoots will still happen. Last year, the lowest shootout presence was 6. That's 6 points. Do i need to explain how does 6 pts could make a différence? And Thats for the lowest team. It can go up to 20.

The truth is that SO are a really random affair and that we don't even know how many SO we will get into. If we're the team with the lowest SO presence... he won't win them all... so it could mean a very very small improvement.. like 2-3 pts provided that working on SO actually is a thing and that it can provide improvement which I doubt.

I just think improving your ability to stop pucks in SO is one of the last thing you wanna work on. And for a goalie who has very few actual real accomplishments and has never even been nominated for a vezina.. and hasn't played during the lockout... he should have other things to want to work on.

I mean, it's not a big deal. I don't want to make a big deal out of it. I just find it a little silly is all. I'll try to remember this thread and see what came out of it at the end of the season.

WeThreeKings 01-10-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by E = CH² (Post 57418841)
The truth is that SO are a really random affair and that we don't even know how many SO we will get into. If we're the team with the lowest SO presence... he won't win them all... so it could mean a very very small improvement.. like 2-3 pts provided that working on SO actually is a thing and that it can provide improvement which I doubt.

I just think improving your ability to stop pucks in SO is one of the last thing you wanna work on. And for a goalie who has very few actual real accomplishments and has never even been nominated for a vezina.. and hasn't played during the lockout... he should have other things to want to work on.

I mean, it's not a big deal. I don't want to make a big deal out of it. I just find it a little silly is all. I'll try to remember this thread and see what came out of it at the end of the season.

Price's only weakness is maturity in his game. Fundamentally there's nothing you can find that is flawed in his game. He's big, he's athletic, his technically proficient and his lateral movement is absolutely dynamic. He is prone to sometimes letting his focus shift from the puck on non-scoring chances and letting in a bad goal (this is a quality that every young goalie exhibits and has to overcome to achieve success). I'm sure he has been working on that.

One Less Louise 01-10-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WeThreeKings (Post 57418963)
Price's only weakness is maturity in his game. Fundamentally there's nothing you can find that is flawed in his game. He's big, he's athletic, his technically proficient and his lateral movement is absolutely dynamic. He is prone to sometimes letting his focus shift from the puck on non-scoring chances and letting in a bad goal (this is a quality that every young goalie exhibits and has to overcome to achieve success). I'm sure he has been working on that.

I agree with this assessment.


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