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Hero 01-10-2013 06:57 PM

Kessel to Flyers
 
To Toronto:

Sean Couturier
Philly's 1st in '13 (Low 1st round pick)

To Philadelphia:

Phil Kessel


Why?

Flyers have current Giroux-Briere with a future 1/2 punch of Giroux-Schenn. Playing Cout on the 3rd line isn't as good of a use of him. Giroux - Kessel on a line together will be unreal.

Hartnell - Giroux - Kessel, amazing first line
Briere - Schenn - Voracek, excellent second scoring

Kessel is young as well.

Leafs need a #1 C to build around, Kessel is not the piece to build around and could leave as a UFA in 2 years.

Vankiller Whale 01-10-2013 06:58 PM

The Leafs would have to be in full rebuild to do this, I think.

Phion Keneuf 01-10-2013 06:59 PM

Huge no from leafs.


Add Voracek and we'll think about it.

inthewings 01-10-2013 07:02 PM

I don't think Philly does this. Their issue is not scoring goals. There's probably little motivation to move Couturier + for a year and a half of Kessel. IMO if they're moving that a #1 D-man is coming back.

Vankiller Whale 01-10-2013 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 57415653)
Huge no from leafs.


Add Voracek and we'll think about it.

Wow...and you think we overvalue our star players.

Couturier + Voracek ++

is very close to Couturier + Schenn ++

i.e. what the asking price for Shea Weber was. And Holmgren said no.

Milan the God* 01-10-2013 07:02 PM

Since the 1st round pick is low I doubt the Leafs will do it. You'd have to exchange that or add another solid piece.

domaug* 01-10-2013 07:03 PM

i don't even like either team, but man do the Leafs get the shaft here.

Philly adds SIGNIFICANTLY more before the Leafs even give this one any thought.

Phion Keneuf 01-10-2013 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 57415753)
Wow...and you think we overvalue our star players.

Couturier + Voracek ++

is very close to Couturier + Schenn ++

i.e. what the asking price for Shea Weber was. And Holmgren said no.

And couturier + Voracek + pick was the price for Carter.

What's your point?

You want Kessel, you pay up.

inthewings 01-10-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 57415819)
And couturier + Voracek + pick was the price for Carter.

What's your point?

You want Kessel, you pay up.

Like 10 years of Carter vs. 1.5 of Kessel.

Hockeypete49 01-10-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hero (Post 57415595)
To Toronto:

Sean Couturier
Philly's 1st in '13 (Low 1st round pick)

To Philadelphia:

Phil Kessel


Why?

Flyers have current Giroux-Briere with a future 1/2 punch of Giroux-Schenn. Playing Cout on the 3rd line isn't as good of a use of him. Giroux - Kessel on a line together will be unreal.

Hartnell - Giroux - Kessel, amazing first line
Briere - Schenn - Voracek, excellent second scoring

Kessel is young as well.

Leafs need a #1 C to build around, Kessel is not the piece to build around and could leave as a UFA in 2 years.

If the Flyers were to move Sean it would be for a defenseman. Plus you kind of stated why they would not want him. The Flyers have a core group of young talent they are building the team around and Sean is part of it.

Vankiller Whale 01-10-2013 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 57415819)
And couturier + Voracek + pick was the price for Carter.

What's your point?

You want Kessel, you pay up.

Uh, no. It was Voracek + 1st + 3rd.

By your logic Kessel is still worth Seguin + Hamilton + Knight.

Hero 01-10-2013 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 57415819)
And couturier + Voracek + pick was the price for Carter.

What's your point?

You want Kessel, you pay up.

To be fair Carter was moved for Voracek, 1st, 3rd.

Couts value is much higher than a high 1st. He fell in that draft and has been progressing.

I think Kessel's current contract limits his trade value.

Hero 01-10-2013 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milan the Great (Post 57415771)
Since the 1st round pick is low I doubt the Leafs will do it. You'd have to exchange that or add another solid piece.

It is a deep draft.

Oates2Neely 01-10-2013 07:07 PM

I like Couterier, and I dislike Kessel. But Kessel can score goals, lots of them. Put him on a line with some solid talent, I think he's good for 40 every season.

I know Philly loves Couterier, but he alone will not net you Kessel.

Hero 01-10-2013 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockeypete49 (Post 57415893)
If the Flyers were to move Sean it would be for a defenseman. Plus you kind of stated why they would not want him. The Flyers have a core group of young talent they are building the team around and Sean is part of it.

With Philly though, you have your strong core, adding a complimentary piece to take you to the next level. Giroux with a sniper like Kessel would be unreal.

Hero 01-10-2013 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 57415943)
I like Couterier, and I dislike Kessel. But Kessel can score goals, lots of them. Put him on a line with some solid talent, I think he's good for 40 every season.

I know Philly loves Couterier, but he alone will not net you Kessel.

That's why there's also a low 1st in a deep draft ;)

Almighty 01-10-2013 07:09 PM

Agree with one of the posters above. Change the 1st to something more significant and then it gets serious.

Phion Keneuf 01-10-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 57415907)
Uh, no. It was Voracek + 1st + 3rd.

By your logic Kessel is still worth Seguin + Hamilton + Knight.

Columbus already knew where there pick was. (Approx)
Quote:

Originally Posted by hero (Post 57415909)
To be fair Carter was moved for Voracek, 1st, 3rd.

Couts value is much higher than a high 1st. He fell in that draft and has been progressing.

I think Kessel's current contract limits his trade value.

And Kessels value is much higher than Couturiers, regardless of contract.

Vankiller Whale 01-10-2013 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 57416169)
Columbus already knew where there pick was. (Approx)

And Kessels value is much higher than Couturiers, regardless of contract.

Yeah, but not Voracek + 1st higher.

tfong 01-10-2013 07:15 PM

I think the Leafs take this deal if it was the case. Its what they've always wanted. a #1 center type that is big and we know he can play NHL already. Flyers might need to add maybe another 2nd tier prospect though I'd imagine.

Hero 01-10-2013 07:16 PM

In principal this could work. If not another option is Phaneuf moving.

Oates2Neely 01-10-2013 07:16 PM

3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak

laundryman 01-10-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hero (Post 57415595)
Flyers have current Giroux-Briere with a future 1/2 punch of Giroux-Schenn. Playing Cout on the 3rd line isn't as good of a use of him. Giroux - Kessel on a line together will be unreal.

Schenn will probably move to Giroux's wing in the future with Couts being the #2 center. He'll stay on the 3rd line this year so he can progress, beef up a little bit and focus on his defense. He won't stay at the 3C forever

Offense isn't the Flyers problem. I don't know how many times it has to be said on this board before people get it. The Flyers would only move Couturier for a #1 D-Man or one with top pairing upside

inthewings 01-10-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 57416277)
3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak

Absolutely terrible for Florida and Vancouver.

7even 01-10-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfong (Post 57416247)
I think the Leafs take this deal if it was the case. Its what they've always wanted. a #1 center type that is big and we know he can play NHL already. Flyers might need to add maybe another 2nd tier prospect though I'd imagine.

Couturier's awesome but he's no #1C yet. I wouldn't make this deal; it's too risky.


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