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Mr. Canucklehead 01-11-2013 10:47 AM

Prospect Thread XIV
 
Last one was approaching 1,000.

Continue here.

BerSTUzzi 01-11-2013 11:02 AM

I remember way back when I start the first prospects stat tracking on CDC. I think I had Ty Morris as one of our "promising" prospects hahahah oh the shame of the Burke draft era.

PRNuck 01-11-2013 11:53 AM

Ben Hutton article: http://bangordailynews.com/2013/01/1...e-hockey-team/

I defy you not to laugh when you read the fifth paragraph.

B-rock 01-11-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerSTUzzi (Post 57437809)
I remember way back when I start the first prospects stat tracking on CDC. I think I had Ty Morris as one of our "promising" prospects hahahah oh the shame of the Burke draft era.

Oh, those were heady days.

Burke's draft record while GM of the Canucks was beyond abysmal. He does deserve ample credit for his wheeling and dealing to get the twins, but beyond that he might as well have packed up shop after the first round every draft.

He got Allen with 4th overall, which isn't bad, but 4th overall is pretty hard to miss. That year he also managed to grab Chubarov and Ruutu in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And that was pretty much the end of his ability to grab talent from any round beyond the 1st for the rest of his tenure in Vancouver, with the notable exception of Bieksa in 2001. It's a good thing he managed to finally snag talent from a round other than the 1st that year as his ego got in the way of a good 1st round pick in Umberger.

It's pretty astounding that in 6 drafts headed by Burke from 1998 to 2003 he only managed to draft 3 NHL players outside of the 1st round! Also astounding is that only a small handful of the ~55 players he drafted in that time even managed to play in the AHL - and only a few of them were good enough to play successive seasons.

If I owned an NHL team, Brian Burke would not be on my short list of GM's to hire.

Babs 01-11-2013 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRNuck (Post 57439927)
Ben Hutton article: http://bangordailynews.com/2013/01/1...e-hockey-team/

I defy you not to laugh when you read the fifth paragraph.

I admit it. I laughed.

ThereGoesVirtanen 01-11-2013 01:27 PM

For shame. :facepalm:

Transom Bob 01-11-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRNuck (Post 57439927)
Ben Hutton article: http://bangordailynews.com/2013/01/1...e-hockey-team/

I defy you not to laugh when you read the fifth paragraph.

Where's the funny?

BerSTUzzi 01-11-2013 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco Fingerhat (Post 57444987)
Where's the funny?

explaining in a hockey article how you get a +/-

StrictlyCommercial 01-11-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerSTUzzi (Post 57445259)
explaining in a hockey article how you get a +/-

Why is that funny? I bet you a considerable chunk of Canucks fans couldn't even properly explain what +/- is.

stevecanuck16 01-11-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerSTUzzi (Post 57445259)
explaining in a hockey article how you get a +/-

I thought the funny was that it was explained wrong, as it forgot to mention that the player had to be on the ice when their team scored an even-strength or short-handed goal.

PRNuck 01-11-2013 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevecanuck16 (Post 57450619)
I thought the funny was that it was explained wrong, as it forgot to mention that the player had to be on the ice when their team scored an even-strength or short-handed goal.

My don't laugh challenge has completely derailed this thread. I'm a monster!!
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me2 01-11-2013 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-rock (Post 57440371)
Oh, those were heady days.

Burke's draft record while GM of the Canucks was beyond abysmal. He does deserve ample credit for his wheeling and dealing to get the twins, but beyond that he might as well have packed up shop after the first round every draft.

He got Allen with 4th overall, which isn't bad, but 4th overall is pretty hard to miss. That year he also managed to grab Chubarov and Ruutu in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And that was pretty much the end of his ability to grab talent from any round beyond the 1st for the rest of his tenure in Vancouver, with the notable exception of Bieksa in 2001. It's a good thing he managed to finally snag talent from a round other than the 1st that year as his ego got in the way of a good 1st round pick in Umberger.

It's pretty astounding that in 6 drafts headed by Burke from 1998 to 2003 he only managed to draft 3 NHL players outside of the 1st round! Also astounding is that only a small handful of the ~55 players he drafted in that time even managed to play in the AHL - and only a few of them were good enough to play successive seasons.

If I owned an NHL team, Brian Burke would not be on my short list of GM's to hire.

1. We traded a lot of seconds

2. Burke biggest failing draft wise wasn't the picks he took, no gm scouts 5th and 6th rounders, it was not sacking the guys recommending them.

ihaveyuidonttouchme 01-11-2013 05:39 PM

Oh hey look, Honzik's team actually showed up in this game. probably they felt sad for him when they had a piss poor show where they let a wooping 56 shots against from their last game(he was great in that game btw despite letting in 7 goals) . But they cant create scoring chances or play defense to save Honzik's life

BerSTUzzi 01-11-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihaveyuidonttouchme (Post 57455245)
Oh hey look, Honzik's team actually showed up in this game. probably they felt sad for him when they had a piss poor show where they let a wooping 56 shots against from their last game(he was great in that game btw despite letting in 7 goals) . But they cant create scoring chances or play defense to save Honzik's life

I don't think it's helping that Cape Breton is dressing 2 less skaters than required. Carrier isn't playing as well.

timw33 01-11-2013 07:08 PM

McEneny has scored his 5th goal of the year. 2 goals in 2 games. 2-1 KIT right now.

Bellville up 4-2. Gaunce drew a penalty with some hard work and they scored on the PP, no points yet.

Edit:

5-2 now for BEL, Jordan Subban 1G 2A so far tonight.

arsmaster 01-11-2013 07:14 PM

Looks like the moves helped Belleville.

Hopefully Gaunce is able to continue his hot production, even though his line is probably now the 2nd line :(

jigsaw99 01-11-2013 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihaveyuidonttouchme (Post 57455245)
Oh hey look, Honzik's team actually showed up in this game. probably they felt sad for him when they had a piss poor show where they let a wooping 56 shots against from their last game(he was great in that game btw despite letting in 7 goals) . But they cant create scoring chances or play defense to save Honzik's life

yeah he's not getting signed.

arsmaster 01-11-2013 08:06 PM

Gaunce with a goal. 7-2 bulls.

The 2nd best defensive team in the league can now score.

Look out OHL.

Corrado with an assist +2 as well.

timw33 01-11-2013 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arsmaster (Post 57460371)
Gaunce with a goal. 7-2 bulls.

The 2nd best defensive team in the league can now score.

Look out OHL.


Sounds like they are flying tonight. Very happy with them getting Graovac.

arsmaster 01-11-2013 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timw33 (Post 57460399)
Sounds like they are flying tonight. Very happy with them getting Graovac.

Quine Is a great add too. Formerly a top 3 pick.

Their top 2 lines are very good. They play stingy and have one of the top goalies in all the CHL.

Should have an extremely long playoff run.

MS 01-11-2013 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-rock (Post 57440371)
Oh, those were heady days.

Burke's draft record while GM of the Canucks was beyond abysmal. He does deserve ample credit for his wheeling and dealing to get the twins, but beyond that he might as well have packed up shop after the first round every draft.

He got Allen with 4th overall, which isn't bad, but 4th overall is pretty hard to miss. That year he also managed to grab Chubarov and Ruutu in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And that was pretty much the end of his ability to grab talent from any round beyond the 1st for the rest of his tenure in Vancouver, with the notable exception of Bieksa in 2001. It's a good thing he managed to finally snag talent from a round other than the 1st that year as his ego got in the way of a good 1st round pick in Umberger.

It's pretty astounding that in 6 drafts headed by Burke from 1998 to 2003 he only managed to draft 3 NHL players outside of the 1st round! Also astounding is that only a small handful of the ~55 players he drafted in that time even managed to play in the AHL - and only a few of them were good enough to play successive seasons.

If I owned an NHL team, Brian Burke would not be on my short list of GM's to hire.

Burke was hired 3 days before the 1998 draft after being working for the league in NY for 5 years and doing zero scouting. All he did was rubber-stamp the recommendations of the scouts. He should get zero credit for those picks as that draft was essentially the last draft of the Quinn/Penny era.

Ruutu was also a pure Keenan pick - Keenan went to scout the World Championships at the end of the Canuck season and recommended selecting him.

Take away those 1998 picks, and Burke was 1/37 (Bieksa) in picks after round 1. Absolutely mind-bogglingly bad.

Having said this, this is partly Burke and partly Burke's decision to replace the adequate Penny with the horrific Delorme as head scout.

Hansen 36 01-11-2013 08:45 PM

LaBate with an assist so far, he's playing center on the 2nd line.

Mr. Canucklehead 01-11-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hansen 36 (Post 57461827)
LaBate with an assist so far, he's playing center on the 2nd line.

That's a six game point streak for him now, if I am not mistaken.

Scottrockztheworld* 01-11-2013 09:02 PM

stated already but

@TysonGiuriato
Evan McEneny now has 19 points in 39 games (5-14-19), while Frank Corrado is now at 30 points (6-24-30) in 44 games. #Canucks @OHLRangers

KRM 01-12-2013 10:26 AM

Tömmernes with his 5th goal of the season.


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