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FlyersFan61290 01-12-2013 11:01 AM

David Rundblad to Philadelphia
 
Don't know much about the need of the Coyotes so I abstained from making a proposal as I don't want to insult anyone. I know the Flyers need defensive help and the organization isn't really good at drafting/developing D-men. I also know the Coyotes are stacked on the blue-line with a good number of high quality prospects in the pipe-line as well. From what I know of Rundblad he projects to be a high quality D-man soon and with Kimmo retiring relatively soon the Flyers will be looking to add some quality pieces. I know the Flyers need a true #1 and Rundblad doesn't exactly fit that description but he's young, big and a righty that could grow with the Flyers young core. With OEL primed to take over the #1 spot in Phoenix and Gormley coming along nicely, (who is also considered a better prospect then Rundblad if I'm not mistaken) I figured Phoenix could deal from a position of strength. If I was wrong and Rundblad is more highly regarded in the Coyotes organization and is unavailable, just forget this whole thing but otherwise what would it take?

laundryman 01-12-2013 11:30 AM

I'd suggest something around Brayden Schenn + if we hadn't just acquired Luke. Phoenix needs centers don't they?

Alberta Yote 01-12-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by laundryman (Post 57476773)
I'd suggest something around Brayden Schenn + if we hadn't just acquired Luke. Phoenix needs centers don't they?

Yes Phoenix could use an offesnive center.

That said if we are talking Rundblad you most certainly have that + on the wrong side.

laundryman 01-12-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta Yote (Post 57476891)
Yes Phoenix could use an offesnive center.

That said if we are talking Rundblad you most certainly have that + on the wrong side.

Admittedly I'm not too familiar on Rundblad outside of my NHL 13 Be a GM mode :laugh:. What's his upside realistically?

Alberta Yote 01-12-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by laundryman (Post 57477005)
Admittedly I'm not too familiar on Rundblad outside of my NHL 13 Be a GM mode :laugh:. What's his upside realistically?

Huge offensive upside and skill, a long ways to go on the defensive side.

If he spends a couple of years learning from Tippett and Playfair, he could develop into a real gem.

FlyLife 01-12-2013 11:44 AM

How about Matt Read and a pick for Rundblad or Gormley? Read can play center and plays good D because of his speed, I think he would fit in the Coyotes system. He might need a little work on faceoffs, but that can be taught.

Jtown 01-12-2013 11:44 AM

I think Rundblad's star has faded some since the turris trade. At the time of that trade , ottawa was thought to have gotten terrible value for him and since the trade he has done nothing to merit an increase to his trade value.

If you are asking for Schenn id say the flyers say no flat simply because they can get a less risky Defensive prospect for Schenn. Also teams need to realize that Since the aquisition of Luke Schenn that mkes his brother off limits as well.

Id say a more realistic trade piece for Phoenix is Matt read a talented and dynamic player who is signed very cheaply for the next 2 years.

FlyersFan61290 01-12-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Couturioux (Post 57477405)
How about Matt Read and a pick for Rundblad or Gormley? Read can play center and plays good D because of his speed, I think he would fit in the Coyotes system. He might need a little work on faceoffs, but that can be taught.

from what I understand Gormley and Rundblad are not interchangeable. Gormley is 2 yrs younger with the better upside so IMO anything around read is not enough. that's specifically why I inquired about Rundblad


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Originally Posted by Jtown (Post 57477431)
I think Rundblad's star has faded some since the turris trade. At the time of that trade , ottawa was thought to have gotten terrible value for him and since the trade he has done nothing to merit an increase to his trade value.

If you are asking for Schenn id say the flyers say no flat simply because they can get a less risky Defensive prospect for Schenn. Also teams need to realize that Since the aquisition of Luke Schenn that mkes his brother off limits as well.

Id say a more realistic trade piece for Phoenix is Matt read a talented and dynamic player who is signed very cheaply for the next 2 years.

don't know if that's true but I was kind of thinking/hoping the same thing. Was hoping he could be had for something like Read + or maybe something around Laughton + but I really don't know.

Jtown 01-12-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 (Post 57477841)
from what I understand Gormley and Rundblad are not interchangeable. Gormley is 2 yrs younger with the better upside so IMO anything around read is not enough. that's specifically why I inquired about Rundblad




don't know if that's true but I was kind of thinking/hoping the same thing. Was hoping he could be had for something like Read + or maybe something around Laughton + but I really don't know.

Well maybe not in the eyes of some scouts, but in terms of HF he was considered to be an elite player. Didn't do much in ottawa, didn't do anything in Phoenix.

96 01-12-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by laundryman (Post 57476773)
I'd suggest something around Brayden Schenn + if we hadn't just acquired Luke. Phoenix needs centers don't they?

Schenn +? You're kidding. Schenn is easily worth more than Rundblad.

XX 01-12-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jtown (Post 57477431)
I think Rundblad's star has faded some since the turris trade.

Not really. He'd be on an NHL roster if he wasn't playing for Tippett. I think the grim reality has set in that he likely won't ever be good enough to please a defense heavy team. He's kind of like Mike Green in that regard. Incredibly talented, but he needs time with proper coaching if there's hope for him to develop a feel for actually playing defense.

It's not unlikely or improbable, just requires patience. The Coyotes may very well decide that it's too much work and trade him. He hasn't regressed. Actually having a much better year stats wise. And he played well enough to earn serious roster consideration (invited to camp, one of only a few) for a team that won their division and went to the conference finals.

Gormley is much more valuable, but for different reasons.

FlyersFan61290 01-12-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XX (Post 57479237)
Not really. He'd be on an NHL roster if he wasn't playing for Tippett. I think the grim reality has set in that he likely won't ever be good enough to please a defense heavy team. He's kind of like Mike Green in that regard. Incredibly talented, but he needs time with proper coaching if there's hope for him to develop a feel for actually playing defense.

It's not unlikely or improbable, just requires patience. The Coyotes may very well decide that it's too much work and trade him. He hasn't regressed. Actually having a much better year stats wise. And he played well enough to earn serious roster consideration (invited to camp, one of only a few) for a team that won their division and went to the conference finals.

Gormley is much more valuable, but for different reasons.

So what would he cost in your opinion? Or are you not ready to let him go yet?

Vankiller Whale 01-12-2013 12:32 PM

As a Canucks fan, I'd also be pretty interested in Rundblad. If we got another winger(prospect or otherwise) from a Luongo trade, I'd probably be willing to trade Kassian for him 1-for-1, although I'd probably get slaughtered by my fanbase.

hbk 01-12-2013 12:35 PM

Rundblad may be the most talented player in the Coyote organization. I can't overemphasize enough how sick his puck skills are. Maloney believes his upside is that of Sergei Zubov all he needed was time to round out his defensive game (he's already improved his plus/minus by 20 this year). He'll be ready for prime time by end of the year.

XX 01-12-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 (Post 57479413)
So what would he cost in your opinion? Or are you not ready to let him go yet?

Maloney drops his name quite a bit, so they are enamored with his offensive talent. Our PP is god awful, even with Yandle, so I imagine they might carry him this year as a #7 while he gets coaching. What's the asking price on Sean Couturier? Schenn? Coyotes would want 1 of those two, and willing to add if Philly thinks it's not equal.

hbk 01-12-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jtown (Post 57478509)
Well maybe not in the eyes of some scouts, but in terms of HF he was considered to be an elite player. Didn't do much in ottawa, didn't do anything in Phoenix.

Rundblad was acquired because he was the best asset being offered for the malcontent Turris. He needed seasoning in the minors which is why he was deemed expendable by the the Sens. That's why Phoenix held out for that pick that they parlayed into Vermette. Rundblad is developing very nicely and will be pushing for a roster spot very soon.

wubwubwubwub 01-12-2013 12:49 PM

I think Rundblad for Read + is a good deal. Rundblad has definitely done nothing to hurt his value since being dealt, I have no doubts he will be at worst a #4 PP specialist capable of 35-45 points. He should become a good physical player too.

hbk 01-12-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The OttoMan Lion (Post 57480059)
I think Rundblad for Read + is a good deal. Rundblad has definitely done nothing to hurt his value since being dealt, I have no doubts he will be at worst a #4 PP specialist capable of 35-45 points. He should become a good physical player too.

Would depend on the +. I don't believe Read is enough for Maloney to deal a player that he views as a future all-star.

Rutkowski 01-12-2013 01:16 PM

I'd take Read and a 2nd for Rundblad. He is a very skilled player, yeah, but he isn't as crucial for the organization as some other prospects and is better as trade bait IMO.

PALE PWNR 01-12-2013 01:19 PM

There is no way schenn or Couturier names should be brought up in this thread if we are talking Runblad. Gormley, Yandle, or OEL, sure not Runblad...

blinkman360 01-12-2013 01:22 PM

I'd go back to the Brock Nelson-David Rundblad proposal if Visnovsky bails and if Yandle is too expensive. With Strome possibly making the jump this year, Nelson could end up being expendable. Isles fans would probably rather use him to bring in a veteran but I'm higher on Rundblad than most.

FlyersFan61290 01-12-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rutkowski (Post 57480975)
I'd take Read and a 2nd for Rundblad. He is a very skilled player, yeah, but he isn't as crucial for the organization as some other prospects and is better as trade bait IMO.

I would do that

Jack de la Hoya 01-12-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rutkowski (Post 57480975)
I'd take Read and a 2nd for Rundblad. He is a very skilled player, yeah, but he isn't as crucial for the organization as some other prospects and is better as trade bait IMO.

I think I'd do that as a Flyers fan.

It would hurt a bit this year, but help long-term.

CanadienKid25 01-12-2013 02:42 PM

A little expanded an OT, but what about

Rundblad + Gormley for Schenn

FlyersFan61290 01-12-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadienKid25 (Post 57484297)
A little expanded an OT, but what about

Rundblad + Gormley for Schenn

B. Schenn isn't going anywhere after the acquisition of his brother. with that said i think the flyers add. maybe something around the Schenn brothers for those two would be more fair but i wouldn't be interested in that. Flyers do have a decent D core so they don't need to add much and if possible they would like to keep there young forward core together (Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek). this is why i was thinking something around Read + pick(s) for Rundblad


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