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mccaber16 01-12-2013 04:28 PM

Duchene for Gardiner (or similar defenseman) Discussion
 
It seems Colorado has an interesting situation developing down the middle. With Stastny, Duchene, and the emergence of O'Reilly there is reason to believe they may explore moving one of them to fill in holes in other areas. Perhaps one of Duchene or O'Reilly can move to the wing and Colorado fans can correct me on this.

But assuming they would rather trade one of these three I guess the decision comes down to trading Duchene for immediate help - young player, equal potential, or Stastny after this season from a collection of picks and prospects. I see Colorado with a nucleus that is growing nicley and I would imagine the priority would be to add a higher quality piece and fill a hole. Duchene could get them that piece.

Their current D is:

Erik Johnson
Hedja
Zanon
Wilson
O'Brien
O'Byrne
Hunwick

And top D prospects:

Barrie
Siemens
Elliot

I see a lot of Depth and not a lot of quality on that blueline. Johnson is the only high quality, offensive player on their current roster and coming off a respectable season in regards to offense with 26 points in 72 games. He seems to be developing more into a two-way defenseman with quite bit of offense but there is nothing ground breaking there offensively.

Barrie seems to be the only offensive defenseman coming up but I wouldn't consider him a blue chipper. In my opinion Colorado could do with a young up and coming offensive defenseman/powerplay specialist.

Looking around the league at teams with a defenseman that fit that mold and are ready to contribute now I see:

Fowler (ANA)
Faulk (CAR)
Leddy (CHI)
Schultz(EDM) * EDM likely doesnt have interest in duchene
Subban (MTL)
Del Zotto (NYR) * lots of cap tied up in forwards already
Ekman-Larsson (PHX)
Yandle (PHX)
Gardiner (TOR)
Carlson (WSH)

So Colorado fans as well as fans of the above defenseman, what are your thoughts on this. Let's refrain from the "lolz duchene for tavares only" and the same for the other defenseman listed.

jax00 01-12-2013 04:34 PM

They could do much better than Gardiner.

Minimalist* 01-12-2013 04:39 PM

Leafs fans severely overrate their players. Gardiner's value isn't in the same stratosphere as Duchene. Add in Grabovski and it still probably doesn't get the deal done.

Avs71 01-12-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccaber16 (Post 57488485)
So Colorado fans as well as fans of the above defenseman, what are your thoughts on this. Let's refrain from the "lolz duchene for tavares only" and the same for the other defenseman listed.

I'm pretty sure every single Avs fan has said center for a defenceman, so I don't know where you are getting this Tavares talk from like all Avs fans ask for is superstars.

That said, the Avs aren't trading Duchene. And if they were, it would be for a defenceman with incredibly high upside, who is left handed, in an almost 1 for 1 deal.

And no center is going anywhere until O'Reilly is back in North America.

mccaber16 01-12-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minimalist (Post 57488961)
Leafs fans severely overrate their players. Gardiner's value isn't in the same stratosphere as Duchene. Add in Grabovski and it still probably doesn't get the deal done.

I don't imagine the Avs would want Grabovski and like the other poster had said, the Avs would want a high quality defenseman in a 1 for 1 swap. I've taken the time to list all of those players that exist. Forgetting Gardiner, which of the listed makes sense?

Brew 01-12-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minimalist (Post 57488961)
Leafs fans severely overrate their players. Gardiner's value isn't in the same stratosphere as Duchene. Add in Grabovski and it still probably doesn't get the deal done.



Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.

Force951 01-12-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccaber16 (Post 57489203)
I don't imagine the Avs would want Grabovski and like the other poster had said, the Avs would want a high quality defenseman in a 1 for 1 swap. I've taken the time to list all of those players that exist. Forgetting Gardiner, which of the listed makes sense?

Yandle makes the most sense and isn't on your list.

SEALBound 01-12-2013 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minimalist (Post 57488961)
Leafs fans severely overrate their players. Gardiner's value isn't in the same stratosphere as Duchene. Add in Grabovski and it still probably doesn't get the deal done.

My goodness yes! If the Avs took that deal I'd be calling for Martin for Statsny! Or Ben Lovejoy for O'Reilly

mccaber16 01-12-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Force951 (Post 57489249)
Yandle makes the most sense and isn't on your list.

You're right. I've added him.

Krishna 01-12-2013 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Brewmeister (Post 57489217)
Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.

Why would the leafs say no? This finally gives them the 1st line center they've been looking for for the past few years. Gardiner might be good but how often do young D men come into the league and have a good year then fade back into realistic expectations?



Happens all the time

jax00 01-12-2013 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 57489639)
Why would the leafs say no? This finally gives them the 1st line center they've been looking for for the past few years. Gardiner might be good but how often do young D men come into the league and have a good year then fade back into realistic expectations?



Happens all the time

Not to mention the concussion issue.

Ceremony 01-12-2013 05:00 PM

We aren't trading Duchene.

BrickAHL 01-12-2013 05:01 PM

You can have O'Reilly instead. (Not straight up for Gardiner though)

CoachBadkitten 01-12-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Brewmeister (Post 57489217)
Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.

Leafs would say yes every day of the week.

Ivan13 01-12-2013 05:03 PM

Stef Elliott is Colorado's best defensive prospect yet he's omited from the OP.

avsfan09 01-12-2013 05:08 PM

Would love to have a player like Gardiner but wouldn't trade any of our centers for him(besides mitchell). Guys had Concussions issues and the Avs of all teams should know not to get involved with player with concussion problems. And Duchene is worth much more than Gardiner.

Pierce Hawthorne 01-12-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 57489909)
Stef Elliott is Colorado's best defensive prospect yet he's omited from the OP.

Not sure he's the best, but he is certainly on the same level as Barrie and Siemens, no idea how you failed to include him OP..

And with Elliott and Barrie at least one of them will likely come out as a Top 4 NHL Dman, they're not blue chippers but they're very good prospects(Barrie especially IMO).

And Duchene is not being traded. 100% gurantee of that at this point. He's a life long Avs fan, who signed a sweetheart deal, and has by far the highest upside of our 3 centers. He's not going anywhere.


Oreilly and Stastny MIGHT be traded, but both can return a hell of a lot more then Leddy or Gardiner or Fowler.

Avs44 01-12-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avsare1 (Post 57490343)
Not sure he's the best, but he is certainly on the same level as Barrie and Siemens, no idea how you failed to include him OP..

And with Elliott and Barrie at least one of them will likely come out as a Top 4 NHL Dman, they're not blue chippers but they're very good prospects(Barrie especially IMO).

And Duchene is not being traded. 100% gurantee of that at this point. He's a life long Avs fan, who signed a sweetheart deal, and has by far the highest upside of our 3 centers. He's not going anywhere.


Oreilly and Stastny MIGHT be traded, but both can return a hell of a lot more then Leddy or Gardiner or Fowler.

I agree about us not trading Duchene. I would say he is the last of our centers to be traded.

Chacal667 01-12-2013 05:16 PM

Duchene is their next Sakic, I think he have a ton more value than Gardiner.

I can't imagine the avs trade their #1 prospect who has been drafted 3rd overall and who already got succes in the nhl, that kid's only 21.

Bender 01-12-2013 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Brewmeister (Post 57489217)
Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.

Thanks for wishing us luck. Apparently, we HAVE to trade him and FAST!! :laugh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 57489639)
Why would the leafs say no? This finally gives them the 1st line center they've been looking for for the past few years. Gardiner might be good but how often do young D men come into the league and have a good year then fade back into realistic expectations?



Happens all the time

Yeah, Gardiner's first season in the NHL DOES sound familiar.

Gardiner
2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 75GP 7G 23A 30PTS

Liles
2003-04 Colorado Avalanche NHL 79GP 10G 24A 34PTS

Hmm...

BoHorvatFan 01-12-2013 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender (Post 57490679)
Thanks for wishing us luck. Apparently, we HAVE to trade him and FAST!! :laugh:



Yeah, Gardiner's first season in the NHL DOES sound familiar.

Gardiner
2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 75GP 7G 23A 30PTS

Liles
2003-04 Colorado Avalanche NHL 79GP 10G 24A 34PTS

Hmm...

Also very similar to Keith Ballards rookie season.

If Gardiner turns into Liles or Ballard he sure as hell isn't worth anything near Duchene.

outoftune 01-12-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Brewmeister (Post 57489217)
Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.

Actually it leaves us a franchise center who would never want to leave......ILL TAKE IT

Krishna 01-12-2013 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender (Post 57490679)
Thanks for wishing us luck. Apparently, we HAVE to trade him and FAST!! :laugh:



Yeah, Gardiner's first season in the NHL DOES sound familiar.

Gardiner
2011-12 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 75GP 7G 23A 30PTS

Liles
2003-04 Colorado Avalanche NHL 79GP 10G 24A 34PTS

Hmm...

Also :

Andrej Meszaros
82 GP 10 G 29 A 39 PTS

At least 1 or 2 D men come into the league each year like that and then fall back to earth

Chacal667 01-12-2013 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Brewmeister (Post 57489217)
Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.

Montreal need any pure talent, Duchene can play winger

x94Galchenyuk94x* 01-12-2013 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jax00 (Post 57489695)
Not to mention the concussion issue.

Majority of hockey players have had concussions in their careers. It's not some giant issue all of a sudden. Heck three kids on my non-contact hockey team have gotten concussions this season.


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