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Boom Boom Anton 01-13-2013 09:58 AM

Alt and Boucher to Philly for Pither
 
Per Chip on Twitter

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"GM Jim Rutherford confirms Canes have traded Brian Boucher and D Mark Alt to Flyers for forward Luke Pither."

Strange why Alt had to be included in this deal.

wolfofthesteppes 01-13-2013 10:05 AM

I'm confused as to why Alt was included in this.

Boom Boom Anton 01-13-2013 10:09 AM

Talent Analysis from HF:

Quote:

Talent Analysis

He is talented offensively, but he tends to shy away from physicality and is not particularly reliable defensively.
So JR threw Alt in on a deal for an AHL/ECHL bordernline non-physical, non-2way player? Alt may have never amounted to anything so it's not a huge deal, but still, seems odd. I hope there is more to this.

TheBigKahuna 01-13-2013 10:09 AM

Pither is a center, 6' 186# and had a tremendous season, his last year in the OHL with 67games 36g 58a 94p 39+/- and 18ppgs.

Hasn't done anything since then though.

Joe McGrath 01-13-2013 10:10 AM

This makes no sense at all. An NHL backup and a C level prospect for a guy who is likely to never play in the NHL? Did Alt decide he wants to play football again or something?

Oenatzu 01-13-2013 10:10 AM

So basically JR wanted to get rid of Boucher and had to include Alt to make somebody want to take him.

Oenatzu 01-13-2013 10:12 AM

Also, this means that Ellis or Peters will be the backup this season.

DaveG 01-13-2013 10:14 AM

Oh my this is brutal. Alt may have been struggling this year but he was a rock for Minnesota last year. Just makes no sense.

Alt's the only player involved in this trade that's worth a damn thing IMO.

Boom Boom Anton 01-13-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oenatzu (Post 57517769)
So basically JR wanted to get rid of Boucher and had to include Alt to make somebody want to take him.

I thought of that, but Boucher is making $1M for 1 more year. It's not like Kaberle where it was a lot of money for a long time. Waive him if you have to.

Novacane 01-13-2013 10:17 AM

Makes no sense. We give up two low-med. quality players for one low quality player. Unless JR is planning on signing someone right now and had to get rid of contracts, it makes no sense to me.

GKJ 01-13-2013 10:20 AM

Are the Canes just bailing on Alt? It's not like Pither has proven anything.

Boom Boom Anton 01-13-2013 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novacane (Post 57518047)
Makes no sense. We give up two low-med. quality players for one low quality player. Unless JR is planning on signing someone right now and had to get rid of contracts, it makes no sense to me.

Even that doesn't make sense though. They are going to have a back-up goalie no matter what so instead of Boucher, it's now Ellis. They took an AHL contract back in Pither and Alt isn't under contract.

Weird.

Boom Boom Anton 01-13-2013 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKJ (Post 57518159)
Are the Canes just bailing on Alt? It's not like Pither has proven anything.

Can't tell. None of us can make any sense of why Alt was included.

Joe McGrath 01-13-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novacane (Post 57518047)
Makes no sense. We give up two low-med. quality players for one low quality player. Unless JR is planning on signing someone right now and had to get rid of contracts, it makes no sense to me.

Alt is in college so he doesn't have a contract. I really don't know the rules though for having college prospects.

CanesAvs16 01-13-2013 10:23 AM

Well I read yesterday somewhere that Boucher's family was staying in Philly, so I'm assuming that is why he was traded there. With his injury proned history, maybe Philly wanted another player included in the deal. We didn't need Boucher, and Alt wasn't proving anything. I see this deal more as making room for other players (i.e. Ellis) on the 'Canes.

Psyduck 01-13-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oenatzu (Post 57517769)
So basically JR wanted to get rid of Boucher and had to include Alt to make somebody want to take him.

That was my initial reaction as well. Alt seems like an awful big piece to throw in to make that happen. I guess the organization was no longer high on him.

impeach estaalo 01-13-2013 10:26 AM

JR hates prospects and back-up goalies, so this makes sense.

Hopefully this was the "trade that may look funny but it's not because I'm so smart" trade he was talking about.

Novacane 01-13-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Anton (Post 57518177)
Even that doesn't make sense though. They are going to have a back-up goalie no matter what so instead of Boucher, it's now Ellis. They took an AHL contract back in Pither and Alt isn't under contract.

Weird.

Yeah, for every great move JR makes, he makes a massive head-scratcher to counter it. Now, this isn't the same magnitude of screwing up as say the Corvo contract. But all in all, this trade make no sense. Trade a raw 21 year old defenseman prospect and an aging goalie for a 23 year old ECHL'er who put up less than .3 PPG in the AHL. :shakehead

Joe McGrath 01-13-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Summer Ruutu (Post 57518397)
JR hates prospects and back-up goalies, so this makes sense.

Hopefully this was the "trade that may look funny but it's not because I'm so smart" trade he was talking about.

Was just thinking about that quote. I just can't think of a reason to dump Alt.

DaveG 01-13-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKJ (Post 57518159)
Are the Canes just bailing on Alt? It's not like Pither has proven anything.

Really not sure on Alt. He's been having a bad season with Minnesota but the talent is there. He's always been a project pick that was going to need all 4 years in college and a couple in the AHL before he was ready. Only thing that makes sense is if Canes brass didn't think he could do anything for us with the logjam we have on D and that it was time to bail.

tarheelhockey 01-13-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Anton (Post 57518003)
I thought of that, but Boucher is making $1M for 1 more year. It's not like Kaberle where it was a lot of money for a long time. Waive him if you have to.

Waiving him might mean he ends up in Edmonton or something.

The only way this deal makes a little sense is that JR wanted to do right by Boucher and get him to Philly. It took the Alt/Pither swap to get their buy-in.

Basically a minor-league trade combined with a waiver.

GKJ 01-13-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe McGrath (Post 57518255)
Alt is in college so he doesn't have a contract. I really don't know the rules though for having college prospects.

You had him until he graduated, so its not like they needed to do anything with him.


I wonder if the trade was really Pither for Alt, and Rutherford just said "you guys just want to take Boucher back, too? We don't want him"

impeach estaalo 01-13-2013 10:38 AM

Things Jim Rutherford hates:
- Prospects
- Draft picks
- Back-up goalies
- Top 4 defensemen
- 1st line wingers
- Having four natural centers in the lineup at the same time
- Playoffs

Things Jim Rutherford loves:
- Chad LaRose
- Nice smiles
- Joe Corvo
- Players under 6'
- Chad LaRose
- Right-handed offensive defensemen
- NTCs
- The waiver wire
- the Plymouth Whalers
- Chad LaRose

Keep this in mind and every move will make sense.

Yes We Cam 01-13-2013 10:39 AM

I guess JR wanted to get rid of these American prospects without the speed skating mentality.

I think that Mcbain and Pitkanen are staying put.

Stephen Goalbert 01-13-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summer Ruutu (Post 57518871)
Things Jim Rutherford hates:
- Prospects
- Draft picks
- Back-up goalies
- Top 4 defensemen
- 1st line wingers
- Having four natural centers in the lineup at the same time
- Playoffs

Things Jim Rutherford loves:
- Chad LaRose
- Nice smiles
- Joe Corvo
- Players under 6'
- Chad LaRose
- Right-handed offensive defensemen
- NTCs
- The waiver wire
- the Plymouth Whalers
- Chad LaRose

Keep this in mind and every move will make sense.

Needs moar gritty veterans.


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