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Anchor Town* 01-13-2013 08:35 PM

Detroit Bottom 6ers
 
Right now Detroit has 15 forwards signed with Mike Knuble on a tryout and guys like Nyquist and Tatar in the AHL but deserve to be in the top 9.

Top 6 locks: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Franzen, and Brunner

Rest of the forwards:

Helm
Samuelsson
Bertuzzi
Cleary
Abdelkader
Tootoo
Eaves
Miller
Mursak
Emmerton

What would you offer from your team for some of these guys?

(only one you'd really have to overpay for would be Helm)

DKQ 01-13-2013 09:10 PM

I would love to see Miller on the Devils. Would picks suffice?

Anchor Town* 01-13-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn (Post 57557941)
I would love to see Miller on the Devils. Would picks suffice?

You bet. Wings prospect pool is too full, gotta start making room for some of the ones that are NHL ready

Prairie Habs 01-13-2013 09:55 PM

Montreal recently told their fourth line center to stay home, do you have anyone available who makes less than Gomez? Preferably some good at faceoffs.

Vatican Roulette 01-13-2013 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the banks (Post 57556513)
Eaves
Miller
Mursak
Emmerton

Actually, that's what you're looking at offering, and no one is going to pay more than a 4th for any of those guys.

GoAwayDanCleary 01-13-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 57560009)
Montreal recently told their fourth line center to stay home, do you have anyone available who makes less than Gomez? Preferably some good at faceoffs.

Emmerton is really your only choice. Young center who played 4th line C for the Wings last year. He's not great but he is decent for a 4th liner and has 3rd line upside (probably at wing though). His faceoff ability sucked in the beginning of last year but he worked hard on it and it consistently improved. Not very big but isn't "small". Above-average skater. Can pot some goals and has pretty good hockey IQ.

All that being said, I'm sure he's available for a 3rd or 4th rounder (just guessing here).

The Zetterberg Era 01-13-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vatican Roulette (Post 57560795)
Actually, that's what you're looking at offering, and no one is going to pay more than a 4th for any of those guys.

Better than what the waiver wire brings back. The Wings have to move some of these guys or they will be moved by the rules. Take the fourth round picks and try to hit on long range European options, although not sure on how the signing rules on them changed. So they could also target US college hockey bound players, either way it is probably a good idea to get something for a couple of these guys.

The Zetterberg Era 01-13-2013 10:21 PM

Bert and Samuelsson have NTC clause protection so they probably don't enter the discussion not that I expect to see many offers for either player.

CanadianSharks 01-13-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 57560009)
Montreal recently told their fourth line center to stay home, do you have anyone available who makes less than Gomez? Preferably some good at faceoffs.

Perhaps Galchenyuk will be joining the Habs this year?? :D

Anchor Town* 01-13-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vatican Roulette (Post 57560795)
Actually, that's what you're looking at offering, and no one is going to pay more than a 4th for any of those guys.

Not looking for anything significant, looking to make room

Vatican Roulette 01-13-2013 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the banks (Post 57561291)
Not looking for anything significant, looking to make room

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWings19405 (Post 57561041)
Better than what the waiver wire brings back. The Wings have to move some of these guys or they will be moved by the rules. Take the fourth round picks and try to hit on long range European options, although not sure on how the signing rules on them changed. So they could also target US college hockey bound players, either way it is probably a good idea to get something for a couple of these guys.

Understandable, but the fact still remains that they will not bring much of anything. Also, Miller and Eaves are the reason Detroit's PK looks like it does when they play. Tootoo is an extra forward signed for 3 years because he can be a game changer because he's physical.

Out of all those players, Sammy and Bert are expendable, yet they won't be traded for various reasons.

So all in all, you're looking at peddling Mursak and Emmerton.

Then take into consideration that Detroit loves depth.

Not saying I like the scenario, but it is what it is.

I would like Detroit to inject more youth from the farm, but as we all know, that's not how they operate.

Maize and Blue 01-13-2013 10:40 PM

*'s are marking players i'd take anything for!

Helm (Going Nowhere: Untouchable to the wings)

* Samuelsson (Horrible signing) I'd pay half his salary to make him go away!

* Bertuzzi (scrap heap)

Cleary (If knees are 50% better, He stays the year)

* Abdelkader (Sheahan & Andersson are ready for his job) May have some value as a 4th liner elsewhere. I don't buy his talent or toughness!!!!

Tootoo (Spark plug: Like to see what an agitator on this team looks like)

Eaves (Injured: Likely done after the year and his Possibly career over with)

Miller (He's needed for his penalty killing)

* Mursak (Speedy Spare part, not better than Helm or Miller on PK. No role for him)

* Emmerton (Speedy Spare part, not better than Helm or Miller on PK. Only played because of all the injuries last year)

Prairie Habs 01-13-2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13 HockeyTown 40 (Post 57561023)
Emmerton is really your only choice. Young center who played 4th line C for the Wings last year. He's not great but he is decent for a 4th liner and has 3rd line upside (probably at wing though). His faceoff ability sucked in the beginning of last year but he worked hard on it and it consistently improved. Not very big but isn't "small". Above-average skater. Can pot some goals and has pretty good hockey IQ.

All that being said, I'm sure he's available for a 3rd or 4th rounder (just guessing here).

I would probably send a fourth rounder, I'm not a fan of Noke and 4C is really the only whole in our bottom six.

Moen - Eller - Prust
White - Emmerton - Armstrong

Wouldn't have a whole bunch of goals coming out of that bunch but they should bring physicality and defense so I'm happy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CanadienShark (Post 57561211)
Perhaps Galchenyuk will be joining the Habs this year?? :D

As long as he is playing 2LW. If he is brought in as 4C it would just be a waste for his development and I don't see him passing Plek, DD, or Eller this year.

Anchor Town* 01-13-2013 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maize and Blue (Post 57561975)
*'s are marking players i'd take anything for!

Helm (Going Nowhere: Untouchable to the wings)

* Samuelsson (Horrible signing) I'd pay half his salary to make him go away!

* Bertuzzi (scrap heap)

Cleary (If knees are 50% better, He stays the year)

* Abdelkader (Sheahan & Andersson are ready for his job) May have some value as a 4th liner elsewhere. I don't buy his talent or toughness!!!!

Tootoo (Spark plug: Like to see what an agitator on this team looks like)

Eaves (Injured: Likely done after the year and his Possibly career over with)

Miller (He's needed for his penalty killing)

* Mursak (Speedy Spare part, not better than Helm or Miller on PK. No role for him)

* Emmerton (Speedy Spare part, not better than Helm or Miller on PK. Only played because of all the injuries last year)

Couple things:

Helm isn't untouchable, if the right offer comes along (overpayment) Holland would do it.

Eaves has been cleared for contact so he's good to go

Emmerton is not speedy at all, definitely average when it comes to skating, actually pretty much average at everything

Wingsfan2965* 01-14-2013 12:28 AM

Helm will not be traded, period.

Samuelsson and Tootoo are unlikely because they were just signed. I doubt Abdelkader would be either.

Cleary is probably untradeable unless somebody wants some third line depth at the deadline and he's healthy.

Realistically you're looking at Eaves, Miller, Mursak, Emmerton. It's unclear as to where Eaves is at health-wise (Concussion) and I don't think they've given up on Mursak breaking out in some form. (He never really got a chance to get back up after he broke his ankle last year)

So you're down to Emmerton and Miller.

And all-in-all, don't be surprised if Detroit holds on to everybody. Lots of groin pulls this year. The whole reason Nyquist is down is because they don't want to get rid of anybody, and when somebody inevitably gets injured, they can call him up immediately.

pdd 01-14-2013 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the banks (Post 57564521)
Couple things:

Helm isn't untouchable, if the right offer comes along (overpayment) Holland would do it.

Eaves has been cleared for contact so he's good to go

Emmerton is not speedy at all, definitely average when it comes to skating, actually pretty much average at everything

Emmerton is better than average at playmaking, defense, and hockey IQ. That's why he was able to make the lineup, and why his stated potential was a 2nd liner (unlikely, but you never know).

Aceonfire* 01-14-2013 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 57560009)
Montreal recently told their fourth line center to stay home, do you have anyone available who makes less than Gomez? Preferably some good at faceoffs.

I have a perfectly good Belanger with your name on it. He also speaks french! Won't cost you a thing.


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