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Screw You Rick Nash 01-14-2013 12:27 AM

One of the Most Unbreakable Gretzky Records
 
Looking at the Great One's stats, I noticed that he is the only player to score at least 40 goals and to lead the league in assists with at least 100. Not only is that incredibly impressive, he did it 11 consecutive seasons.

WTF is that!? That has to be up there with one of the most unbreakable records.

For a player to break that, he has to have at least 480 goals and 1200 assists, but he has to lead the league in assists in each of those seasons. That's a minimum of 1680 points in 12 years.

Nalyd Psycho 01-14-2013 02:40 AM

Mario Lemieux did it in 1989. Granted, he didn't do it 11 straight seasons, but he did accomplish the feat.

Psycho Papa Joe 01-14-2013 06:14 AM

In terms of single season records, I think his 163 assist season might be his most unbreakable. Only 2 other players have even cracked 100 assists, Mario once with 114 and Orr once with 102.

jigglysquishy 01-14-2013 08:42 AM

Leading the league in assists 16 times. The next best is 5. Guys like H.Sedin or Thornton have lead it 3 times, and that puts them at third all time.

Rules may change that increase goalscoring, but being the best playmaker for 16 years is absolutely insane.

Bob Kudelski 01-14-2013 09:14 AM

It's easy to forget how amazing a player he was. Luckily, with stats like this, it's also easy to remember!

blamebettman* 01-14-2013 09:23 AM

It's tough to imagine an environment where Gretzky's records could be broken. The game would have to open up to such an extent...PLUS you'd need to have a player of his caliber. Plus he'd have to stay healthy

Leo W 01-14-2013 09:30 AM

Points in a season, if anyone can beat that my head will explode. They do say records are made to be broken!

Screw You Rick Nash 01-14-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nalyd Psycho (Post 57567409)
Mario Lemieux did it in 1989. Granted, he didn't do it 11 straight seasons, but he did accomplish the feat.

No he didn't. I said you have to get 100 assists AND lead the league in assists. Gretzky lead the league that year.

PRMan 01-14-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blamebettman (Post 57571439)
It's tough to imagine an environment where Gretzky's records could be broken. The game would have to open up to such an extent...PLUS you'd need to have a player of his caliber. Plus he'd have to stay healthy

Gretzky was rarely 100% healthy when doing all that... He was kind of a small guy.

tazzy19 01-14-2013 01:15 PM

To be the fastest to 200 goals, 300 goals, 400 goals, 500 goals (in only 575 games!), 600 goals (one less game than Lemieux), 700 goals, and 800 goals -- and still getting 11 straight 100+ assist seasons in the process???

Ridiculous.

Scoring almost 3000 points when no one else has even cracked 1900?

Also ridiculous.

Winning the scoring title with his assists alone is crazy enough -- but to do it while also scoring the most goals of those respective seasons -- yes he did it more than once? --

Crazy talk.

Hoser 01-14-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tazzy19 (Post 57581795)
Scoring almost 3000 points when no one else has even cracked 1900?

Not only that he had more assists (1,963) than anyone else had points. If Wayne Gretzky had never scored a single goal in his entire career he'd STILL have more points than anyone else.

JaymzB 01-14-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kaneone (Post 57571689)
No he didn't. I said you have to get 100 assists AND lead the league in assists. Gretzky lead the league that year.

Gretzky and Lemieux tied that season (114 each).

Screw You Rick Nash 01-14-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JaymzB (Post 57583579)
Gretzky and Lemieux tied that season (114 each).

****. That screws everything up.

ot92s 01-14-2013 03:51 PM

the real beauty of it is that his playing style was timeless. plenty of speed, elite ability to find/create space for himself, and that un-defendable saucer pass.

he would absolutely statistically dominate any era that you placed him in. oh yeah, he was a freak show when it came to competitiveness too so he'd be winning all the cups as well.

so blessed to have watched his career from start to finish...

zeropotentate 01-14-2013 05:21 PM

if anyone breaks his 50 goals in 39 games, I'd be seriously impressed.

Big Phil 01-14-2013 05:31 PM

Put it this way, Gretzky had three years where his assists would have led the entire NHL in points and one other year where it would have been tied (although that was Kurri who had the 135 points that year). Even if you ignore the raw totals let's just try and find a time when anyone came close to this mark - once.

Orr had 87 assists in 1970 when the next best player (Phil Esposito) had 99 points. He won the Art Ross just one other time in 1975 and wasn't even close. Esposito or Lafleur weren't close in either of their Art Ross years. Bobby Hull only has one year worth mentioning and its 1966. It is the opposite of Gretzky because Hull had 97 points with 54 goals while second place in the NHL had 78 "points". Still not close. Elmer Lach with 54 assists while Richard had 73 points. Not close either. Surprisingly Howe was never even close himself, not even once. I think Lemieux has a slight chance to do it once had he not been injured in 1993, possibly. Lafontaine was 2nd in PPG at 1.76 while Lemieux had 1.52 assists per game. Still a stretch though.

Post Lemieux we never saw Jagr come close. Thornton had 96 assists in 2006 which is very close to any non-Jagr player that year (Ovechkin was tops at 106). Even arguably the best playmaker over the last few seasons, Henrik Sedin wasn't close to it in 2010.

This is just an incredible feat and utterly mindboggling no matter how many times you look back at it. The scary thing is, Gretzky almost did it again in 1991 (122 assists with 2nd highest point total being Hull at 131). Only then did age, Gary Suter's hit and burnout force him to slow down.

So really, in NHL history we have never seen anyone do it once. Gretzky did it three times and on a couple of them there was some serious seperation from the next highest point getter in comparison to his assists. And we still have debates as to who the best player of all time is...........

jigglysquishy 01-14-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 57595879)
Put it this way, Gretzky had three years where his assists would have led the entire NHL in points and one other year where it would have been tied (although that was Kurri who had the 135 points that year). Even if you ignore the raw totals let's just try and find a time when anyone came close to this mark - once.

Orr had 87 assists in 1970 when the next best player (Phil Esposito) had 99 points. He won the Art Ross just one other time in 1975 and wasn't even close. Esposito or Lafleur weren't close in either of their Art Ross years. Bobby Hull only has one year worth mentioning and its 1966. It is the opposite of Gretzky because Hull had 97 points with 54 goals while second place in the NHL had 78 "points". Still not close. Elmer Lach with 54 assists while Richard had 73 points. Not close either. Surprisingly Howe was never even close himself, not even once. I think Lemieux has a slight chance to do it once had he not been injured in 1993, possibly. Lafontaine was 2nd in PPG at 1.76 while Lemieux had 1.52 assists per game. Still a stretch though.

Post Lemieux we never saw Jagr come close. Thornton had 96 assists in 2006 which is very close to any non-Jagr player that year (Ovechkin was tops at 106). Even arguably the best playmaker over the last few seasons, Henrik Sedin wasn't close to it in 2010.

This is just an incredible feat and utterly mindboggling no matter how many times you look back at it. The scary thing is, Gretzky almost did it again in 1991 (122 assists with 2nd highest point total being Hull at 131). Only then did age, Gary Suter's hit and burnout force him to slow down.

So really, in NHL history we have never seen anyone do it once. Gretzky did it three times and on a couple of them there was some serious seperation from the next highest point getter in comparison to his assists. And we still have debates as to who the best player of all time is...........

He also managed 163 assists one season, which would get him the Art Ross every single year in the NHL's history except for his and two of Lemieux's seasons.

Canadiens Fan 01-14-2013 10:46 PM

On April 18, 1999 Wayne Gretzky played in his final NHL game.

On that day his name appeared in the NHL record book an incredible 61 times – a combined 40 regular season, 15 playoff, and 6 All-Star records.

In the almost decade-and-a-half since not a single one of them has been broken.

'Nuff said.

schutney 01-15-2013 12:20 AM

You guys are all wrong, 4 straight 200 point season is mind boggling. He had a hall of fame career in 4 seasons. What's also crazy is his 8 consecutive MVPs, that's a record that will be broken in no sport, though Lionel Messi is doing his best to try to keep up.

TAnnala 01-15-2013 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by schutney (Post 57614159)
You guys are all wrong, 4 straight 200 point season is mind boggling. He had a hall of fame career in 4 seasons. What's also crazy is his 8 consecutive MVPs, that's a record that will be broken in no sport, though Lionel Messi is doing his best to try to keep up.

I don't think we are wrong anyone. (But there is a argument to be made that Gretzky's most unbreakable records are not based on point totals due to the fact that changes in the game can cause high-scoring seasons. Dominance over peers is more impressive, exmple leading the leagues in assists multiple times.)

It just is that Gretzky's records are all so impressive that there is not a "wrong" answer here.

For me, the most impressive thing Gretzky possessed was his play-making/assist ability. He was a great( one of the best ever) goal scorer but there are other players who were in Gretzky's realm in terms of goal-scoring. He actually does not even have the best adjusted goal season. Brett Hull is first and Ovechkin second Lemieux and Esposito being ahead too.

Nobody ever touched the level of play Gretzky brought in terms of play-making. He is without a debate the greatest play-maker of all-time.

RECsGuy* 01-15-2013 01:44 AM

What's crazier than any of Gretzky's records? People believing that he isn't the greatest hockey player of all-time.

Machinehead 01-15-2013 03:45 AM

Gretzky holds records you can't even break in video games, believe me I've tried :laugh:

Machinehead 01-15-2013 03:57 AM

We've seen a plethora of unbreakable records in here, I'm gonna throw in his triple crowns.

6 players have led the league in Goals, Assists, and Points.

Punch Broadbent once

Howie Morenz once

Grodie Howe once**

Phil Esposito once

Mario Lemieux twice

Wayne Gretzky FIVE TIMES

Unreal. Even more mind boggling, as a poster above alluded to, in some of those years, his assists alone would have been enough to win the Art Ross, and he's the only player who ever did that too.

The scary one in particular is 1987. He led the league in points by 75. Take away all 62 of his goals, and he stills leads the league by 13 :laugh:

**Gordie Howe technically did it twice, but I don't count one of his because he tied for the league lead in assists and did so in more games than his counterpart

85highlander 01-15-2013 08:56 AM

Meanwhile, on the defensive side of the rink, Gretzky also holds the all-time career mark for witnessing the most goals scored against his team as a skater - 2, 285 - this mark is also likely never to be broken.

TAnnala 01-15-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 85highlander (Post 57620517)
Meanwhile, on the defensive side of the rink, Gretzky also holds the all-time career mark for witnessing the most goals scored against his team as a skater - 2, 285 - this mark is also likely never to be broken.

Wow. Where can i find a list about that?


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