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Crease 01-14-2013 09:23 AM

Best Offwingers of All-Time
 
Not entirely sure if this has been done before, but I'm curious who you guys think are some of the best NHLers who made a career playing on their offwing. The only reason why I'm thinking about this right now is because after years on the offwing, Tortarella is toying with the idea of putting Gaborik on the left side because his center is a right-handed shot.

gifted88 01-14-2013 09:44 AM

Shanahan played the majority of his career at LW and shoots right. He's the first to pop into my head.

Johnny Engine 01-14-2013 09:44 AM

Rocket Richard.

bw220 01-14-2013 10:38 AM

Maybe not the best of all time, but Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, and Semin have all had a lot of success on the off wing.

popo 01-14-2013 10:50 AM

Bure, Jagr, Mogilny, Recchi? Tonnes of left handed shots on the right wing.

JETZZZ 01-14-2013 11:06 AM

st. louis

JETZZZ 01-14-2013 11:08 AM

hossa

JETZZZ 01-14-2013 11:08 AM

...lots

GuineaPig 01-14-2013 11:39 AM

I was always of the mind that wingers played better on their off-wing. Maybe that was just from personal experience though.

pdd 01-14-2013 11:56 AM

I'd say Gordie Howe... but he shot ambidextrously. So he can't really be included.

Which makes Jagr the winner, as Bobby Hull is the only winger other than Howe to outperform him.

Canadiens1958 01-14-2013 12:36 PM

Cut to the Inside
 
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Originally Posted by GuineaPig (Post 57576845)
I was always of the mind that wingers played better on their off-wing. Maybe that was just from personal experience though.

Question of their ability to cut to the inside from their wing position.

Wingers playing the off wing usually are weak in this regard.

pdd 01-14-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GuineaPig (Post 57576845)
I was always of the mind that wingers played better on their off-wing. Maybe that was just from personal experience though.

Depends on the style. For shooters playing an east-west game, absolutely. It allows for a better angle at the net.

In a north-south rushing game, off-wing players are far less useful because they have to be passing from or receiving passes on their backhand, limiting the rush compared to players of comparable skill on their forehand.

Johnny Engine 01-14-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 57577733)
I'd say Gordie Howe... but he shot ambidextrously. So he can't really be included.

Which makes Jagr the winner, as Bobby Hull is the only winger other than Howe to outperform him.

Rocket?

pdd 01-14-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 57579731)
Question of their ability to cut to the inside from their wing position.

Wingers playing the off wing usually are weak in this regard.

You mean like cutting in while holding off a defender? Generally the off-winger will have an advantage on a shot because as he's cutting across the ice he's moving with the puck to a forehand shooting position. Yes, someone on their "right side" will be carrying the puck on their forehand. But if you have trouble carrying the puck on your backhand in that kind of situation to the degree where it would make a backhand shot a better option, you're either a bad puckhandler or you need to work on your shot.

pdd 01-14-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Engine (Post 57588163)
Rocket?

What about him?

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Engine (Post 57572143)
Rocket Richard.

My first thought. Not only was he very unusual at the time as a guy playing his off-wing, he's probably the best one of all-time.

Johnny Engine 01-14-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 57588429)
What about him?

Left shooting right winger. Was curious to know whether you think Jagr has clearly outperformed his career (I'd say no, but a lot closer than some would have it), or whether you just didn't remember or consider him,

Canadiens1958 01-14-2013 03:42 PM

Left or Right Turn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 57588407)
You mean like cutting in while holding off a defender? Generally the off-winger will have an advantage on a shot because as he's cutting across the ice he's moving with the puck to a forehand shooting position. Yes, someone on their "right side" will be carrying the puck on their forehand. But if you have trouble carrying the puck on your backhand in that kind of situation to the degree where it would make a backhand shot a better option, you're either a bad puckhandler or you need to work on your shot.

A LHS who cannot make a strong right turn - to the net, will play RW if he can make a strong left turn. Likewise a RHS who cannot make a strong left turn - to the net, will play LW if he can make a strong right turn.

tfong 01-14-2013 03:55 PM

Bure :)

JGRB 01-14-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 57590641)
A LHS who cannot make a strong right turn - to the net, will play RW if he can make a strong left turn. Likewise a RHS who cannot make a strong left turn - to the net, will play LW if he can make a strong right turn.

This.

When I played hockey I was a left-handed shooting RW. I always had a hard time with right turns, and a lot of my game was my shot... So it was a fit.

pdd 01-14-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 57590641)
A LHS who cannot make a strong right turn - to the net, will play RW if he can make a strong left turn. Likewise a RHS who cannot make a strong left turn - to the net, will play LW if he can make a strong right turn.

Ok, so you were saying that it was a cause of playing the off-wing. I had read it as if you were saying the ability (or inability) to cut in was a problem with playing the off-wing.

Darth Yoda 01-15-2013 06:57 AM

Is'nt it so that playing on the offwing can have a positive effect on ones goalscoring compared to assists? That is something i remember deciding on as a kid. Some people cant do it, though.

BobbyAwe 01-15-2013 09:16 AM

Not saying he was the best, but Cournoyer was a notable one.

Johnny Engine 01-16-2013 08:00 PM

Apparently Randy Carlyle requires his wingers to be particularly skilled puckhandlers if he is to allow them to play on their off-wing, which makes sense as you'd be carrying the puck within closer reach of facing defencemen. This got brought up when Carlyle was hired to coach the Leafs, as previously he didn't consider Joffrey Lupul talented enough to play left wing. Anyway, whatever you may think of Lupul as a player, he's worked out fine on Kessel's left.

That being said, if the majority of hockey players shoot left, is this why left wingers (who carry the puck on the side of the boards), have trended towards power forwards and grinders throughout history, while the majority of players like Bure, Jagr, and so on have played right wing?

original islander 01-17-2013 12:07 AM

Not a great one but Billy Harris was a good one. He's my favorite player so I had to mention him. Decent scorer, good defensively but obviously career went south once Bossy arrived.


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