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TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 12:43 PM

Penalizing trading on the clock
 
Should there be a penalty for trading on the clock?

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 12:44 PM

Poll is open for 2 days, but I'd love to be able to close it sooner.

Hawkey Town 18 01-14-2013 12:58 PM

Here's my post from the other thread...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkey Town 18 (Post 57542695)
I don't like the penalty for trading on the clock at all. If we are giving GMs a certain amount of time each pick then they should be allowed to use that time however they see fit. There's absolutely no difference between someone using their entire clock to try to make a trade and using the clock to do research or to do some other non-ATD activity. Why is the person that's trading punished, but not the guy who waits till the last minute to do his player research or the guy who doesn't log on all day to see if it's his turn? There is a wide array of activities that hold up the draft...only one of them comes with a penalty. There's no solution, we just have to put trust in our fellow GMs to make their picks in a timely manner.


tony d 01-14-2013 01:20 PM

Option 2. Trading on the clock should be allowed without fear of penalty.

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 03:03 PM

This is the only open poll now, so I'm shamelessly bumping it.

seventieslord 01-14-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 57588493)
This is the only open poll now, so I'm shamelessly bumping it.

There needs to be a way for a mod to make a thread always stay at the top of the section.

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 57590179)
There needs to be a way for a mod to make a thread always stay at the top of the section.

Them there is fightin' words!
:fight:

(heh, I didn't even think of stickying it to be honest because it's only going to be open a day or two)

DoMakc 01-14-2013 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 57590179)
There needs to be a way for a mod to make a thread always stay at the top of the section.

I still don't understand why are you voting on these polls. You aren't taking part in this draft, so these rules are irrelevant for you, and it's not like they won't be changed till next draft, since that's what usually happens. So why are you skewing the polls?

BenchBrawl 01-14-2013 04:03 PM

bumping it without shame or guilt

Reds4Life 01-14-2013 04:08 PM

I would not penalize GMs for trading on the clock.


Though I wish we did not have trades at all.

Dreakmur 01-14-2013 04:18 PM

The clocks are designed to allow people time to have a job, a family, a life, etc.

I don't believe sitting on your computer, just waiting for somebody to hopefully make a trade with you, is part of that.

Conditional trades work just as well, but can be worked out before.

Penalties for trading on the clock please.

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DoMakc (Post 57591117)
and it's not like they won't be changed till next draft, since that's what usually happens.

If the rules for this draft work well, maybe we'll just decide to keep them for the following draft. IMO, the reason getting input from everyone was so important this time is because it hasn't happened for a long time, if ever.

Sorta like how we in the States vote once every 4 years for President or something...

markrander87 01-14-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DoMakc (Post 57591117)
I still don't understand why are you voting on these polls. You aren't taking part in this draft, so these rules are irrelevant for you, and it's not like they won't be changed till next draft, since that's what usually happens. So why are you skewing the polls?


Or argueing with participating gm's trying to voice their opinions.

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 04:25 PM

In this case, 70s and Sturminator's votes cancel out anyway. I have no idea who Sandro88 is or what his interest in the draft is, so his vote won't count.

Edit: Removed Sandro88's vote (but can't remove his name as a poster who has voted)

seventieslord 01-14-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markrander87 (Post 57592943)
Or argueing with participating gm's trying to voice their opinions.

so you have the right to an opinion but I don't?

TheDevilMadeMe 01-14-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 57594069)
so you have the right to an opinion but I don't?

I can see where an active GM might not want inactive GMs voting on the rules (though I think you and Sturm certainly have an interest in seeing the draft run smoothly). But everyone who wants to post their opinion on something is free to do so.

For the record though, neither 70s or Sturm has been the deciding vote on anything we've deciding so far.

overpass 01-14-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreakmur (Post 57592767)
The clocks are designed to allow people time to have a job, a family, a life, etc.

I don't believe sitting on your computer, just waiting for somebody to hopefully make a trade with you, is part of that.

Conditional trades work just as well, but can be worked out before.

Penalties for trading on the clock please.

This is why I am voting for penalties.

markrander87 01-14-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 57594069)
so you have the right to an opinion but I don't?

I'm an active gm...your not? Does mike milbury still get a vote in NHL general meetings?

seventieslord 01-14-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by markrander87 (Post 57597799)
I'm an active gm...your not? Does mike milbury still get a vote in NHL general meetings?

is this the NHL?

ck26 01-14-2013 07:28 PM

Let'a make it a MINOR PENALTY.

If you trade while on the clock, you aren't allowed to make any additional trades for two minutes.

Any bigger penalty than that is stupid.

Murphy 01-14-2013 08:33 PM

I've always worked out trades before my pick, its just respect for the other gm's and a bit of a deadline to get it done.

VanIslander 01-14-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 57599073)
is this the NHL?

Lockouts, ongoing negotiations, swapping of proposals, voting by membership, deadlock discussions, no preset start date.

You decide. ;)

http://0.tqn.com/h/proicehockey/1/H/_/I/52459847.jpg

Nalyd Psycho 01-14-2013 10:35 PM

Why are you so worked up about the start date? Rushing to start without proper preparation is not going to make a superior ATD.

Hobnobs 01-15-2013 03:33 AM

Who's Sandro88? :huh:

BenchBrawl 01-15-2013 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hobnobs (Post 57616743)
Who's Sandro88? :huh:

thats actually hilarious :laugh:


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