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whskybarJM 01-15-2013 09:26 AM

Scott Hartnell
 
lets say he puts up another solid year with the usual personality this season.

if he is not already there, does he move up into one of your all time favorite flyer spots?

OriginJM 01-15-2013 09:51 AM

already is, guy is a straight badass with the heart of a lion

slitz 01-15-2013 11:33 AM

people wanted to trade him for a bag of pucks a year and a half ago. now we're talking about "alltime favorite"?

AaronTrieu 01-15-2013 11:49 AM

He was certainly in the dumps. He was having personal issues and it spilled onto his effort and production on the ice. He rebounded really well and I really respect him as a player for bouncing back. We need him to put together another solid season though. I'm not looking for a career year, but 35 pts this season would be great

CS 01-15-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slitz (Post 57626519)
people wanted to trade him for a bag of pucks a year and a half ago. now we're talking about "alltime favorite"?

People wanted to dump Coburn, now he's darkhorse for captain material.

Yes, people are fickle, but remember at the end of the day all that matters is who you will remember and how.

Everyone hated Lindros. They had solid reasons. Now he's back in the hearts and imaginations of those who grew up watching him, possibly too young to understand why there was such hatred in the first place.

This is clearly a different situation with Hartnell, but the fact remains that he has done more good for this organization than not. No one ever faulted him for not trying. We've laughed with him more than at him. That is endearing enough. On-ice success is what cements that with long-term affection.

whskybarJM 01-15-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by slitz (Post 57626519)
people wanted to trade him for a bag of pucks a year and a half ago. now we're talking about "alltime favorite"?

well,

I was never one of those people
just because people wanted a trade does not mean they were right
yes we are talking about an all time favorite for an individual.
somme people might of started watching the expansion year others might of started watching in 2000's


great personality, understands the city, will be in the city for the long haul, good teammate, plays with heart, (which is what we truly want), and has been a 20-30+ goal scorer?

why is it hard to understand why some might start thinking of him as an all time favorite? because of the finicky fans who think with current emotions instead of their understanding of the game?


and going off your original point, it is not that hard to understand when Keith became a legend of philly hockey because of 1 playoff run.

Cyborg LeClair 01-15-2013 12:45 PM

Honestly, I wasn't a Hartnell fan before he had success with Briere and Leino in the Playoffs a couple years back. He always seemed to take the worst penalties at the worst time and was constantly falling down (not at all different from today) but it's when he started producing that I started to notice all the intangibles and fun he brings to the game.

funghoul 01-15-2013 12:50 PM

i'm glad we gave him that extension. I always thought he was a great flyer. Even when he wasn't puttin up the insane numbers (for him) he was last year, he was always a hardcore energy player that willed things to happen. that fact that he upgraded his already skilled hands to become a top ten left winger just proves that he's still got some potential not reached. There's no negativity with him mentally which goes a long way not only with his play but obviously in being a leader. He is still disrespected in terms of the heart and soul factor he brings which is why he should be one of a couple eligible for the "C". He's a pretty complete player.

kicksave27 01-15-2013 12:57 PM

I think the fact that he ran with hartnelldown has helped. He didn't chastise fans for their comments on his skating, he went with it.

flyersfan187 01-15-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slitz (Post 57626519)
people wanted to trade him for a bag of pucks a year and a half ago. now we're talking about "alltime favorite"?

Not everyone. Hartnell is one of those players that even when he isn't playing well he still has a role.

Qyburn 01-15-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by flyersfan187 (Post 57634153)
Not everyone. Hartnell is one of those players that even when he isn't playing well he still has a role.

That and he just had such a gargantuan year on every level. I'm glad he started out in our doghouse. We got to watch him blast his way through every adversity.

Mgkibbles 01-15-2013 02:26 PM

I used to hate Hartnell, but he really cut down on the numbskull plays last year.

Flyerfan4life 01-15-2013 03:07 PM

i was one of those that wanted to take the chance to trade fom him when he was playing poorly early last season..

but that was before news broke that he was recovering from a wrist injury..

zarley zelepukin 01-15-2013 04:01 PM

I was never one of the people who wanted him shipped out- and there were many. I've always liked him, but all-time favorite? I haven't been following the team all that long (16 years) but I'm not sure I'd put him there quite yet. Close though. It's impressive he's managed to stay on the team this long.

CootaRoo 01-15-2013 04:17 PM

I'm not ashamed to admit that I have wanted him gone for a loooong time (always despised the bonehead penalties taken in the defensive zone while Carter was breaking into the offensize zone with speed).

I am also not ashamed to admit that his personality has made me warm up considerably to him... and that he played considerably 'smarter' (beyond the point totals) last season.

I am further not ashamed to admit that should he have a down season (particuliarly in the undisciplined/stupid department) I reserve the right to change my opinion once again by seasons' end.

toughfighter83* 01-15-2013 04:51 PM

im not sold on hartnell until he cuts down on the turnovers and he passes too much, i dont care if he cant score but at least get the shots on the goal to keep the pressure on the goalies.

achdumeingute 01-15-2013 05:58 PM

Yes, he does something dumb on occasion. He plays with passion and puts up 20 every year no matter what line. EVERY team in the league would like a "hartnell".

He's a great person to boot, and we will always have the hulk hogan moment.

Beef Invictus 01-15-2013 06:01 PM

A lot of my disapproval and criticism stemmed from his cap hit, which I thought was too high for a while. That's no longer an issue, and a few years as a component on our best lines have earned him some breathing room in my book.

He's also become much smarter overall.

CanadianFlyer88 01-15-2013 06:07 PM

I only ever hated the dumb penalties... and that didn't stop me from lovin' Knuble, either.

7475Fly 01-18-2013 09:21 AM

Oh Scotty:

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love...s-2013#slide-5

:handclap:

Krishna 01-18-2013 09:23 AM

:laugh:

JohnnyOnTheSpot 01-18-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 7475Fly (Post 57781089)

Dear God, Phil Kessel made that list, and Andrew Ladd the year before. Plus whoever wrote it ran out of ways to say someone is sexy after like 3 pics. Females, tisk tisk.

RJ8812 01-18-2013 10:04 AM

Lavy's chat with him 2 seasons ago saved his career

RJ8812 01-18-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyOnTheSpot (Post 57782313)
Dear God, Phil Kessel made that list, and Andrew Ladd the year before. Plus whoever wrote it ran out of ways to say someone is sexy after like 3 pics. Females, tisk tisk.

I think that article is written by a bunch of 14 year old girls

BobbyClarkeFan16 01-18-2013 10:10 AM

I don't like Hartnell and I think that's well known. Too inconsistent for my liking. When he signed his contract, he got Daniel Alfredsson type money and personally, I don't think he lived up to the money. It was always good season followed by a bad season by a good season followed by a bad season. When you're paying a forward nearly five million bucks a year, they're expected to produce. When four of the six years are only forty point seasons, that doesn't cut it.

Coburn is also another player I don't like. Once again, another player who is inconsistent season in and season out as well as game in and game out. Million dollar talent, ten cent toolbox is the best way to describe him. As well, Coburn is getting 4.5 million dollars to be a defensive defenseman. Hopefully Coburn puts it all together this year because the Flyers REALLY need him to step forward. Can he do it? I don't know. Yes, he comes to play come playoff time, but he needs to play that way during the regular season as well.


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