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overpass 01-19-2013 11:59 PM

Leading the league in scoring at 40 or older
 
After one game, the two leading scorers in the NHL are Teemu Selanne (age 42) and Jaromir Jagr (age 40).

Has a player ever led the league in scoring at any point of the season at 40 or older before? I don't know the answer, wondering if this is the first time.

Hardyvan123 01-20-2013 12:04 AM

How far into the season are we talking about here?

Howe is the oldest scoring champ at age 34 in 63 off the top of my head.

Howe was also 3rd in 69 at age 39 with 103 points but I doubt he ever had the lead on Phil who had 127 at any great length into the season.

revolverjgw 01-20-2013 12:06 AM

On opening night 1979, Gordie Howe scored an unassisted goal on his first shift, thus briefly leading the league in scoring at 51

Note- may not have happened

overpass 01-20-2013 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 (Post 57920161)
how far into the season are we talking about here?

Howe is the oldest scoring champ at age 34 in 63 off the top of my head.

Since we are currently one game into the season, I guess one game or more.

Even for one game it's very possible it hasn't happened before. There have been very few high scorers that were 40+. Here's the list.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...rder_by=points

Czech Your Math 01-20-2013 06:05 AM

It appears Gordie was very close at age 40 in '69. I did a quick tally, so it could be off, but show that thru 35 games it was very tight:

Hull 49
Howe 48
Espo 47

After that, Howe slipped behind Espo, who also passed Hull in game 39.

The oldest player to have be at the top for a significant length of time was likely Mario in '03. He was ahead for most of the season, and still tied for the lead with 15 games left at age 37.

Big Phil 01-20-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Czech Your Math (Post 57926197)
It appears Gordie was very close at age 40 in '69. I did a quick tally, so it could be off, but show that thru 35 games it was very tight:

Hull 49
Howe 48
Espo 47

After that, Howe slipped behind Espo, who also passed Hull in game 39.

The oldest player to have be at the top for a significant length of time was likely Mario in '03. He was ahead for most of the season, and still tied for the lead with 15 games left at age 37.

Nice work, yes those were the first two seasons I was thinking about as well. Gretzky was close in 1998, 12 points off, but he never led the league at any point since he went on a tear at the end of the year.

Czech Your Math 01-20-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 57935715)
Nice work, yes those were the first two seasons I was thinking about as well. Gretzky was close in 1998, 12 points off, but he never led the league at any point since he went on a tear at the end of the year.

Gretzky had 7 points after 5 games during the '98 season, not sure if that was good enough to be leading the league at that point. Either way, he was 36, so not as old as Lemieux in '03. Mario hadn't really played a full season since '97, and he still couldn't in '03. I had forgotten what a huge lead he had that year. Just including him and the top 3 finishers ("games" are GP by team):

After 29 games each: Lemieux 55, Thornton 40, Naslund 32, Forsberg 28
After 41 games each: Lemieux 68, Naslund 55, Thornton 52, Forsberg 43

He missed 10/11 games after that.

After 52 games each: Lemieux 68, Naslund 65, Thornton 63, Forsberg 57

That was one heck of a race though.

After 67 games each: Lemieux 85, Naslund 85, Forsberg 84, Thornton 82

After games 75 & 76, Forsberg, Naslund, and Thornton were all within one point of each other.

BenchBrawl 01-20-2013 03:05 PM

Jagr was burning the league in europe , I wonder how far he can get in the NHL this season.

I would be thrilled if he could win an art ross (even though its highly unlikely)

livewell68 01-21-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jafar (Post 57951043)
Jagr was burning the league in europe , I wonder how far he can get in the NHL this season.

I would be thrilled if he could win an art ross (even though its highly unlikely)

I think he will be a PPG player. He could challenge for the Art Ross but that might be highly unlikely although he does seem much better.

Even last game when the Stars were shutout, Jagr looked the best on the Stars, he hit the post twice and set up quite a few plays which almost led to goals. I think once his team gets the chemistry going, he will be putting up the points.


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