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phillipmike 01-21-2013 03:20 AM

Burke to Philly
 
To me it seems like a match made in heaven.

Burke basically preaches the Broad Street Bullies attitude. He is no nonsense and believes in a rough and tough hockey team. Burke wants to be a GM ASAP and hopes to be hired by a team that does not plan on changing owners. Something that is not likely to happen in the near or distant future in Philly.

Burke probably would like to stay in the east coast because of his family and would join his son Patrick in Philly.

Holmgren has inherited a pretty good team and his maintained that over his tenure with a great foundation. But he has not got them over the hump; which may believe he is on thin ice if the results do not show this season.

Some fans claim that Burke cannot rebuild a team and that he is best suited for a team already built where he can take them to the next level (i.e. Anaheim).

Overall i know Philly fans are extremely happy with their team's foundation and most of Homer's moves. But i just think Burke in Philly seems like a match made in heaven (well excluding Boston as i think PC will be there for awhile). And it maybe more than that if Philly cant put a deep playoff run together this season which may fall on the shoulders of Bryz and the loss of Richards and Carter. Losing Richards and Carter is not a bad thing considering the GREAT pieces they got back. But Holmgren's fate maybe tied to his goal-tending situation and Bryz's contract.

Burke a good fit in Philly? Yay or Nay?

What do you think?

BoHorvatFan 01-21-2013 03:25 AM

Do they already have a really good goalie? If the answer is no then the answer to this thread is no. Burke would just stick with Bryz until his contract runs out because ''he's good enough'' and he's a ''loyal players gm''

I'd rather have Holmgren than Burke.

Exit Dose 01-21-2013 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NugentHopkinsfan (Post 58001031)
Do they already have a really good goalie? If the answer is no then the answer to this thread is no. Burke would just stick with Bryz until his contract runs out because ''he's good enough'' and he's a ''loyal players gm''

I'd rather have Holmgren than Burke.

The Flyers fans sound pretty happy with his play so far. Sounds like the bigger issue right now is D.

Krishna 01-21-2013 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exit Dose (Post 58001119)
The Flyers fans sound pretty happy with his play so far. Sounds like the bigger issue right now is D.

Yep, he's been pretty good this season so far

2 goals on him the last 2 days were deflections by his defensemen which are hard to stop for any goalie.

As for the issues :

Defense and the PK are the big issues.

Fedetenko and Talbot, who both play on our PK, have been absolutely terrible thus far.

BillDineen 01-21-2013 08:01 AM

Homer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Burke

And Burke is garbage.

MuchoMacho 01-21-2013 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillDineen (Post 58004039)
Homer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Burke

And Burke is garbage.

That didn't take long.

KIRK 01-21-2013 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallHockeyLegend (Post 58004287)
That didn't take long.

The Burke is garbage part, or for someone to correctly point out Homer > Burke?

RJ8812* 01-21-2013 08:27 AM

I wouldn't fire Homer nor would I replace Homer with Burke. Since we just promoted Paddock to asst. coach from asst. GM (if you call that a promotion), Burke can fill the vacant asst. GM spot

I'm not the biggest Burke fan, but whatever

Dark Knight 01-21-2013 08:47 AM

Broad St. Bullies term associated with Burke has no merit. He wanted the Leafs to play with testosterone, belligerence, and pugnacity and wasn't able to achieve that, let alone playoffs in his 4.5 years here.

zytz 01-21-2013 09:32 AM

As an outsider I've gotta say Philly would be better off sticking with their current GM

birddog* 01-21-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipmike (Post 58000959)
To me it seems like a match made in heaven.

Burke basically preaches the Broad Street Bullies attitude. He is no nonsense and believes in a rough and tough hockey team. Burke wants to be a GM ASAP and hopes to be hired by a team that does not plan on changing owners. Something that is not likely to happen in the near or distant future in Philly.

Burke probably would like to stay in the east coast because of his family and would join his son Patrick in Philly.

Holmgren has inherited a pretty good team and his maintained that over his tenure with a great foundation. But he has not got them over the hump; which may believe he is on thin ice if the results do not show this season.

Some fans claim that Burke cannot rebuild a team and that he is best suited for a team already built where he can take them to the next level (i.e. Anaheim).

Overall i know Philly fans are extremely happy with their team's foundation and most of Homer's moves. But i just think Burke in Philly seems like a match made in heaven (well excluding Boston as i think PC will be there for awhile). And it maybe more than that if Philly cant put a deep playoff run together this season which may fall on the shoulders of Bryz and the loss of Richards and Carter. Losing Richards and Carter is not a bad thing considering the GREAT pieces they got back. But Holmgren's fate maybe tied to his goal-tending situation and Bryz's contract.

Burke a good fit in Philly? Yay or Nay?

What do you think?

Burke might preach rough and tough but he built one of the softest teams in the league. Actions speak louder than words. How does Burke's performance merit consideration over Philly's current management. Burke could learn a few things from them.

Billy6 01-21-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 58005293)
Broad St. Bullies term associated with Burke has no merit. He wanted the Leafs to play with testosterone, belligerence, and pugnacity and wasn't able to achieve that, let alone playoffs in his 4.5 years here.

You forgot truculence.

12345* 01-21-2013 09:35 AM

Its a coaching issue rather than a GM issue. Gunning style play, while entertaining, will not win Cups. And there is a disconnect between the defense and the style they are looking to play.

pigpen65 01-21-2013 09:38 AM

The super soft teams he put together in Toronto, i don't know how you can say he would be good for toughening a team up. It's true that he preaches toughness, but he's known more now for not practicing what he preaches.

BinCookin 01-21-2013 09:49 AM

Holmgren has been making some very bold moves.

Richards and Carter out for new young direction.

Honestly his style is bold and agressive and risky. Very similar to Burke.

I think a team that has been too shy with trades, is the team that needs Burke.

Phi is the last team that you would argue has been too shy.

MacOfNiagara 01-21-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipmike (Post 58000959)
To me it seems like a match made in heaven.

Burke basically preaches the Broad Street Bullies attitude. He is no nonsense and believes in a rough and tough hockey team. Burke wants to be a GM ASAP and hopes to be hired by a team that does not plan on changing owners. Something that is not likely to happen in the near or distant future in Philly.

Just IMO (and I am not a Leaf or Burke hater) but,

For all his talk about truculence and pugnacity the team he ended up creating seemed to lack a fair bit of both. Not butter soft, but certainly nothing fierce in those departments.

For all his talk of building from the net out he seemed to have ended up with the opposite

ORYX 01-21-2013 10:00 AM

I think Philly's biggest mistake was one that seemed forced by the Owner, and that was the length of Bryzgalov's contract.

He can be a stud, as we have seen, but he can also be a dud.

The moves Homgren has made have all made this team better. Its not that I think Burke is a bad option, but you can't fire a guy because the team didnt win the Stanley cup when he has thrown the max amounts of money at the two biggest free agents last year, Offer sheeted arguably the best defencemen in the league etc. They didnt want to come, and the team matched. Not his fault.

I know Snider wants a winner now, but he needs to realize the core of the team is locked up long term, there is no sense making rushed decisions etc and spending more then needed to bring in the extra pieces.

If Philly plays its cards right and is patient, they could have a ver very strong team for years to come. All thats missing is a true number 1. They don't grow on trees though!

ORYX 01-21-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacOfNiagara (Post 58007845)
Just IMO (and I am not a Leaf or Burke hater) but,

For all his talk about truculence and pugnacity the team he ended up creating seemed to lack a fair bit of both. Not butter soft, but certainly nothing fierce in those departments.

For all his talk of building from the net out he seemed to have ended up with the opposite

He brought in forwards in Kessel and Lupul who are "soft", but would have his resident tough guys on line 4. That doesnt seem to work in todays NHL.

If you want team toughness, some of your top 6 players need to have an edge to their game, and your depth players have to have a skill set outside of "truculance and pugnacity" otherwise you'll keep missing the playoffs.

Look at playoff teams, they have more then a line or two of strong players. The leafs 4th line the past several years has been AHL tough guys at best, with an underwhelming top 2 lines.

HighOFFHockey 01-21-2013 10:08 AM

No thanks, definitely early to talk about this stuff. Holmgren is a great GM. Flyers started 0-3-3 last season...I'm not worried. The only reason the flyers lost both games was because of sloppy play not because of talent. This is still a playoff team.

FlyLife 01-21-2013 10:15 AM

Holmgren isn't going anywhere as GM. If Burke wants to come along for the ride, then sure.

Bryzgalov was most likely Snyder's idea, so no, Holmgren's fate is not tied to Bryz.

dredeye 01-21-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy6 (Post 58007061)
You forgot truculence.

so did Burke when he built his leafs team.

sobrien 01-21-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipmike (Post 58000959)
To me it seems like a match made in heaven.

Burke basically preaches the Broad Street Bullies attitude. He is no nonsense and believes in a rough and tough hockey team. Burke wants to be a GM ASAP and hopes to be hired by a team that does not plan on changing owners. Something that is not likely to happen in the near or distant future in Philly.

Burke probably would like to stay in the east coast because of his family and would join his son Patrick in Philly.

Holmgren has inherited a pretty good team and his maintained that over his tenure with a great foundation. But he has not got them over the hump; which may believe he is on thin ice if the results do not show this season.

Some fans claim that Burke cannot rebuild a team and that he is best suited for a team already built where he can take them to the next level (i.e. Anaheim).

Overall i know Philly fans are extremely happy with their team's foundation and most of Homer's moves. But i just think Burke in Philly seems like a match made in heaven (well excluding Boston as i think PC will be there for awhile). And it maybe more than that if Philly cant put a deep playoff run together this season which may fall on the shoulders of Bryz and the loss of Richards and Carter. Losing Richards and Carter is not a bad thing considering the GREAT pieces they got back. But Holmgren's fate maybe tied to his goal-tending situation and Bryz's contract.

Burke a good fit in Philly? Yay or Nay?

What do you think?

Whoa whoa whoa...Holmgren inherited a "pretty good" team? You can't be serious. The responsibility was dumped on him several games into the franchise's worst season. He turned **** into gold in 1 season, going from worst in the league to the ECF, WHILE losing out on the Patrick Kane sweepstakes. He inherited Richards, Gagne, Knuble and Carter, and that's about it. In one year, he stole Coburn from ATL, landed Briere, Upshall, Timonen, Hartnell, Lupul, and other key pieces for next to nothing, and turned one of those pieces into Pronger.

I have no problem with Burke in Philly, but not as GM. He'd have to be 100% willing to take a back seat role.

captainpaxil 01-21-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobrien (Post 58022815)
Whoa whoa whoa...Holmgren inherited a "pretty good" team? You can't be serious. The responsibility was dumped on him several games into the franchise's worst season. He turned **** into gold in 1 season, going from worst in the league to the ECF, WHILE losing out on the Patrick Kane sweepstakes. He inherited Richards, Gagne, Knuble and Carter, and that's about it. In one year, he stole Coburn from ATL, landed Briere, Upshall, Timonen, Hartnell, Lupul, and other key pieces for next to nothing, and turned one of those pieces into Pronger.

I have no problem with Burke in Philly, but not as GM. He'd have to be 100% willing to take a back seat role.

and then didnt win a cup. honestly watching lomabrdi and his slow growth style out in la has me thinking the next gm in philly will be ron hextall.

Adversary 01-21-2013 02:51 PM

Burke would finally have both schenn's

JS19 01-21-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillipmike (Post 58000959)
To me it seems like a match made in heaven.

Burke basically preaches the Broad Street Bullies attitude. He is no nonsense and believes in a rough and tough hockey team. Burke wants to be a GM ASAP and hopes to be hired by a team that does not plan on changing owners. Something that is not likely to happen in the near or distant future in Philly.

Burke probably would like to stay in the east coast because of his family and would join his son Patrick in Philly.

Holmgren has inherited a pretty good team and his maintained that over his tenure with a great foundation. But he has not got them over the hump; which may believe he is on thin ice if the results do not show this season.

Some fans claim that Burke cannot rebuild a team and that he is best suited for a team already built where he can take them to the next level (i.e. Anaheim).

Overall i know Philly fans are extremely happy with their team's foundation and most of Homer's moves. But i just think Burke in Philly seems like a match made in heaven (well excluding Boston as i think PC will be there for awhile). And it maybe more than that if Philly cant put a deep playoff run together this season which may fall on the shoulders of Bryz and the loss of Richards and Carter. Losing Richards and Carter is not a bad thing considering the GREAT pieces they got back. But Holmgren's fate maybe tied to his goal-tending situation and Bryz's contract.

Burke a good fit in Philly? Yay or Nay?

What do you think?

Before you made this thread, you should've asked yourself the question: why would Philly want to fire Holmgren? He's a GM that has consistently shown that he will do anything to put his team in the position of being a perennial contender (even if it meant Richards/Carter was no longer in the future).


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