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LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 02:30 PM

Hemsky to Pit
 
I'm bad at making proposals. The Pens have a wealth of D prospects; I don't know if the Oilers are interested in them. The Oilers have Hemsky; I know the Penguins would like him.

Oilers fans, what would you want for Hemsky?

Pens fans, what would you offer?

WeridAl 01-21-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58024625)
I'm bad at making proposals. The Pens have a wealth of D prospects; I don't know if the Oilers are interested in them. The Oilers have Hemsky; I know the Penguins would like him.

Oilers fans, what would you want for Hemsky?

Pens fans, what would you offer?

The Oilers have a wealth in D prospects as well, don't need anymore. Not going to get into the worth of Hemsky until he's played at least 10 games, but he did look good against the Canucks.

LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 02:52 PM

The Pens have been on the elusive search for a talented winger to flank Sidney Crosby basically since his rookie season (some talented ones have come and gone, yes).

Truth be told, I actually thought Hemsky was on the bad side of 30 until today. Nonetheless, if Edmonton's plan is realistically a 3-5 year plan (they might argue it's sooner, but that's my diagnosis), they might decide to seek a return on Hemsky while they still have him under contract. With that said, if the Oilers aren't searching for defensemen, then these two teams might not make good partners...let alone the question of whether Edmonton is even remotely interested in moving Hemsky.

I'll ask the question anyway...if you're GMST and you get a call asking, "what would it take for me to pry Hemsky from you?," what would your answer be?

InjuredChoker 01-21-2013 02:55 PM

Oilers top six would be too shallow if they traded Hemsky, imo.

Unless they're still rebuilding/tanking this season, I don't see them trading Hemsky for D propsects.

Hemsky gets bashed around here a lot, but he's still solid player.

Morozov 01-21-2013 02:58 PM

I think most of us know how the Hemsky/Pens threads go by now.

LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 03:00 PM

I've been a Hemsky fan since 03. As recently as this offseason I argued against the idea of Hemsky as Sid's winger. My thinking was that Sid needed a bigger body on his line. Nonetheless, what's really been missing from Sid's line - when I stop and think of it - is a player who has ANY offensive creativity whatsoever. Kunitz and Dupuis do an admirable job keeping up with Sid and they can make decent plays off the rush, but neither of them can create anything for themselves. A guy like Hemsky can actually enter the zone, protect the puck and make a pass under pressure. Sid hasn't had somebody capable of that since Hossa.

/end pipe dream.

Again, Oil fans, I'm not saying that you're looking to move Hemsky or that the Pens are good trade partners. I'm just asking what you suspect the Oil's price for him would be (and yes, I understand that the price would be inflated if the organization isn't particularly interested in movingh im).

joestevens29 01-21-2013 03:06 PM

Unless Kunitz or Orpik are on the table I don't really see much of a fit.

Petro Points 01-21-2013 03:08 PM

meh.. let us enjoy the guy while he looks healthy and producing..

Im sure once EDM hits a slump we'll want to trade him for J.Morrow+ but til it happens you wont see the off-season'ish Hemsky proposals

WeridAl 01-21-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58027107)
I've been a Hemsky fan since 03. As recently as this offseason I argued against the idea of Hemsky as Sid's winger. My thinking was that Sid needed a bigger body on his line. Nonetheless, what's really been missing from Sid's line - when I stop and think of it - is a player who has ANY offensive creativity whatsoever. Kunitz and Dupuis do an admirable job keeping up with Sid and they can make decent plays off the rush, but neither of them can create anything for themselves. A guy like Hemsky can actually enter the zone, protect the puck and make a pass under pressure. Sid hasn't had somebody capable of that since Hossa.

/end pipe dream.

Again, Oil fans, I'm not saying that you're looking to move Hemsky or that the Pens are good trade partners. I'm just asking what you suspect the Oil's price for him would be (and yes, I understand that the price would be inflated if the organization isn't particularly interested in movingh im).

Asking Hemsky's value usually ends up to being a Oilers flame fest and how injury prone he is. Its been done a number of times and it always get ugly.

LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 58027501)
Unless Kunitz or Orpik are on the table I don't really see much of a fit.

Both could be on the table. Orpik would be difficult for the Pens to replace (lots of d men in the pipeline but not really a physical shutdown guy like Orpik). Losing Kunitz creates a hole, but one that is partially filled by Hemsky. Can Hemsky play on the left? I like Hemsky - Crosby - Dupuis more than I like Kunitz - Crosby - Dupuis...

WeridAl 01-21-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Petro Points (Post 58027573)
meh.. let us enjoy the guy while he looks healthy and producing..

Im sure once EDM hits a slump we'll want to trade him for J.Morrow+ but til it happens you wont see the off-season'ish Hemsky proposals

Where would J.Morrow fit in the Oilers future.

Petro Points 01-21-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 58027727)
Where would J.Morrow fit in the Oilers future.

He probably wont but it was just an example of the type of Hemsky proposals floating around on this board.

supert 01-21-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58027107)
I've been a Hemsky fan since 03. As recently as this offseason I argued against the idea of Hemsky as Sid's winger. My thinking was that Sid needed a bigger body on his line. Nonetheless, what's really been missing from Sid's line - when I stop and think of it - is a player who has ANY offensive creativity whatsoever. Kunitz and Dupuis do an admirable job keeping up with Sid and they can make decent plays off the rush, but neither of them can create anything for themselves. A guy like Hemsky can actually enter the zone, protect the puck and make a pass under pressure. Sid hasn't had somebody capable of that since Hossa.

/end pipe dream.

Again, Oil fans, I'm not saying that you're looking to move Hemsky or that the Pens are good trade partners. I'm just asking what you suspect the Oil's price for him would be (and yes, I understand that the price would be inflated if the organization isn't particularly interested in movingh im).

A big physical # 2 center man that can score and is good at face offs and can keep up with Yak . In other words no one is going to offer us what we need . Last year we had no scoring other then the first line , we got a second line now that can score and we are not trading a big part of it with out an over payment

caley 01-21-2013 03:18 PM

With the way Hemsky played last night, if I were the Oilers, I wouldn't be willing to move him to Pittsburgh without a severe overpayment coming back. A defence prospect is not that. He finally looked healthy and dangerous last night, he might have been Edmonton's best forward at times.

raab 01-21-2013 03:40 PM

I have a sneaking suspicion that Tambo is expecting to make the playoffs this year. Then over the summer the Oiler's will go all in and fill the rest of the holes and become true contenders for next year. So if my suspicions are correct I don't think Hemsky will be available until he's a UFA in 2014. A player that might be expendable is Gagner but I don't see him moving until the deadline. Depending how this season unfolds I wouldn't be surprised if Tambo went after Getzlaf as a rental if he's not willing to resign in Anaheim.

LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 58029549)
I have a sneaking suspicion that Tambo is expecting to make the playoffs this year. Then over the summer the Oiler's will go all in and fill the rest of the holes and become true contenders for next year. So if my suspicions are correct I don't think Hemsky will be available until he's a UFA in 2014. A player that might be expendable is Gagner but I don't see him moving until the deadline. Depending how this season unfolds I wouldn't be surprised if Tambo went after Getzlaf as a rental if he's not willing to resign in Anaheim.

You've kind of hit the nail on the head...it really matters what Edmonton's timeline for being a "contender" is. If it's this year, good on them...and you're right, if that were the case they would NOT be in a position to deal Hemsky this year.

Anyhow, we'll gladly take Gagner off your hands :D

Anderson55 01-21-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Morozov (Post 58026973)
I think most of us know how the Hemsky/Pens threads go by now.

Goes something like Kennedy Lovejoy and a prospect/pick lol?

Sparky1977 01-21-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58024625)
I'm bad at making proposals. The Pens have a wealth of D prospects; I don't know if the Oilers are interested in them. The Oilers have Hemsky; I know the Penguins would like him.

Oilers fans, what would you want for Hemsky?

Pens fans, what would you offer?

Sorry, not interested in prospects. It would have to be Letang and I do not believe that deal gets done.

LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky1977 (Post 58030031)
Sorry, not interested in prospects. It would have to be Letang and I do not believe that deal gets done.

Accidental post.

Brian28 01-21-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58029653)
You've kind of hit the nail on the head...it really matters what Edmonton's timeline for being a "contender" is. If it's this year, good on them...and you're right, if that were the case they would NOT be in a position to deal Hemsky this year.

Anyhow, we'll gladly take Gagner off your hands :D

Edmonton is in the 5th year of it's 5 year rebuild plan. the 3rd 1st overall was via winning the lottery. Edmonton was 6 points off being in the #4-5 draft spot last year vs 18 points the preceeding 2 years. We're making significant ground and not looking to stockpile picks or prospects at the moment. Hopefully the playoff window opens next year realistically.

Edit: We won't be moving Gagner unless we can upgrade our 2nd line C. We'd need a C with size who plays a solid game. Maybe someone who is more physical but less a playmaker? For a solid 2nd C we'd probably add to gagner but we're not strong in C depth so are unlikely to move Gagner.

raab 01-21-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58029653)
You've kind of hit the nail on the head...it really matters what Edmonton's timeline for being a "contender" is. If it's this year, good on them...and you're right, if that were the case they would NOT be in a position to deal Hemsky this year.

Anyhow, we'll gladly take Gagner off your hands :D

Im sure Gagner will be on the first bus out of town if Tambo closes a deal for Getzlaf as a rental. Only problem is I don't see any deal that would make sense between the two clubs. Maybe Gagner and Whitney ++ for Orpik but I'm guessing you guys dont want to make that deal.

LetangInTheSO 01-21-2013 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raab (Post 58031365)
Im sure Gagner will be on the first bus out of town if Tambo closes a deal for Getzlaf as a rental. Only problem is I don't see any deal that would make sense between the two clubs. Maybe Gagner and Whitney ++ for Orpik but I'm guessing you guys dont want to make that deal.

That deal could be done, assuming Gagner can move to the wing...

raab 01-21-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LetangInTheSO (Post 58031459)
That deal could be done.

Depending what we had left over from a potential Getzlaf rental deal(Im thinking MPS, 1st and Martindale) would get Getzlaf for 10 games plus playoffs. That the pluses would probably be Musil and Lander or a pick. It doesn't really matter anyways but I think its a deal that could benefit both teams.

Asher 01-21-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 58031677)
Depending what we had left over from a potential Getzlaf rental deal(Im thinking MPS, 1st and Martindale) would get Getzlaf for 10 games plus playoffs. That the pluses would probably be Musil and Lander or a pick. It doesn't really matter anyways but I think its a deal that could benefit both teams.

Getzlaf has become quite comfortable in SoCal. He's not going anywhere.

TorstenFrings 01-21-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky1977 (Post 58030031)
It would have to be Letang and I do not believe that deal gets done.

:help:


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