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CrazyEddie20 01-21-2013 09:56 PM

Fhl shocker - outlaws fold!
 
And no one with any understanding of business or marketing is surprised.

http://www.sungazette.com/page/conte....html?nav=5019

Shortly thereafter:

http://www.sungazette.com/page/conte....html?nav=5019

ForsbergForever 01-21-2013 10:53 PM

And the league is still going to play out the season? Between this and the permanent road team Blue Fins...this is getting too ridiculous for words. How can a business operate this way?

Kanka 01-21-2013 11:54 PM

http://www.sungazette.com/page/conte....html?nav=5019
Quote:

"The league is fine," FHL Commissioner Don Kirnan said. "We really don't know much right now. We are having a meeting later and will have more information."
:facepalm:

How ignorant is this guy? The league is the biggest laughing stock in hockey.

Quote:

A number of issues have beset the Outlaws during their first season here, including low attendance and unpaid bills. The Sun-Gazette counted an estimated 200 people in the stands for Saturday's game, but the team listed 867 on the official box score. Such discrepancies have been common.
seriously wonder how many teams are doing this.

Pull the plug on this fiasco.

Anyone else notice that the 'players of the month' have never changed on the website from start of season? What clowns are running this league!?

ForsbergForever 01-22-2013 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanka (Post 58066267)
http://www.sungazette.com/page/conte....html?nav=5019


:facepalm:

How ignorant is this guy? The league is the biggest laughing stock in hockey.

seriously wonder how many teams are doing this.

Pull the plug on this fiasco.

Anyone else notice that the 'players of the month' have never changed on the website from start of season? What clowns are running this league!?

I think its safe to say that after the collective experiences of the AAHL, the aborted NPHL, the facebook petition for the creation of a UPHL and of course the current FHL, that A-level hockey is unsustainable and impossible to build as a successful business model (unless you're the SPHL...maybe its a southern market thing).

No Fun Shogun 01-22-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

We really don't know much right now
Really, you don't say?

The FHL's holding on by a string, at best.

And I think that Single-A hockey can work, but not in places already oversaturated by major, minor, junior, and collegiate teams already, like the Northeast and Atlantic. The South is good, as all the SPHL really needs to compete around with are a single varsity college program in Alabama and three major teams on their peripheries, leaving a number of large cities and towns completely open for them in the region. I mean.... the FHL has to effectively compete with the NHL, the AHL, the ECHL, and the NCAA, which already eats up pretty much all the decently sizable markets throughout the region.

The SPHL has room, the FHL does not. That simple.

Mightygoose 01-22-2013 12:54 PM

And this team won the FHL championship last season....in another city for that matter!! (wayne, NJ).

Oh so very sad......:cry:

SFTC Addict 01-22-2013 02:44 PM

Padded attendance is a common thing in minor league hockey, however theres far more issues beyond that.

ForsbergForever 01-22-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK Triple Threat (Post 58093397)
Padded attendance is a common thing in minor league hockey, however theres far more issues beyond that.

When you're padding you attendance up to 800 from 200, there's a bigger problem at hand...

Kanka 01-22-2013 10:55 PM

I guess the biggest question on everyone's mind is what will the Elmira Jackals do now? They lost their affiliate :sarcasm:

pelts35.com 01-23-2013 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForsbergForever (Post 58128833)
When you're padding you attendance up to 800 from 200, there's a bigger problem at hand...

Any worse than padding attendance to 5000 from 2000?

SFTC Addict 01-23-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanka (Post 58139263)
I guess the biggest question on everyone's mind is what will the Elmira Jackals do now? They lost their affiliate :sarcasm:

LOL. Continue losing under a terrible unqualified AA coach.

I don't think anybody from Williamsport ever dressed here. Not sure why ECHL teams waste the time for an FHL Affiliate.

I do know that had they made the playoffs they were slated to use Elmira's First Arena. So more cash flow not coming into the arena.

LadyStanley 01-24-2013 03:19 PM

THEFHL 1:10pm via twitterfeed Williamsport ceases operations: FHL takes over management of team. http://t.co/Uxgo5GhS

SFTC Addict 01-24-2013 04:22 PM

To. Do. What.

takehisheadoff 01-24-2013 04:38 PM

Is this a glorified beer league? How do they pay the players:amazed:

CrazyEddie20 01-24-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BK Triple Threat (Post 58243963)
To. Do. What.

Because the team is a legal entity, someone needs to control it while it winds up the remaining business... meaning prioritizing bills and attempting to pay outstanding debts.

SFTC Addict 01-24-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takehisheadoff (Post 58244635)
Is this a glorified beer league? How do they pay the players:amazed:

They get paid in beer in peanurs at the local pub!

WildcatMapleLeafs28 01-24-2013 09:23 PM

What are the players salaries in this league ? I'm just curious to what a guy like Pierre Dagenais or James Sanford would have made while playing in the FHL...

SPORTSMANIAC 01-24-2013 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takehisheadoff (Post 58244635)
Is this a glorified beer league? How do they pay the players:amazed:

After seeing four game last year...It's like what I like to call "continuing the dream league." Your local beer league is run better then this league. Two teams are owned by the same person and a third is owned by the Commissioner's daughter

ForsbergForever 01-25-2013 12:03 AM

I pray this league is put out of its misery this summer...end this embarrassment to hockey.

Kanka 01-25-2013 12:40 AM

http://www.pointstreaksites.com/view...medium=twitter
Quote:

The announcement of the Outlaws roster will be announced in the upcoming days as well as the Head Coach.
So the league has, yet again, another travelling circus team. :shakehead

Who would even pay to watch a bunch of guys the league rounded up from a bar, night club, gutter, to play 60 mins of meaningless hockey?

Go to your local rink at 10pm and guess what, it's free!

Kanka 01-25-2013 12:53 AM

ESPN Williamsport to 'Investigate'
 
Anyone see this?
http://www.espnwilliamsport.com/
Quote:

Staff Reports
ESPNWilliamsport.com
ESPN Williamsport has launched an investigation into the Outlaws folding and leaving town. ESPN Wiliamsport General Manager, Todd Bartley said "there are to many unanswered questions to why this team all of sudden packed up and left."
There are several questions as they relate to finances as well as the linkage between city employees, the non-profit that ran the rink at Bowman Field as well as the Outlaws.
Several Right-to-Know requests are being prepared and the City of Williamsport will be in receipt of them by the end of the week.
"The fans and taxpayers of this area deserve these answers", according to Bartley.
Williamsport Mayor Campana stated in the press conference announcing the rink and the Outlaws "that no taxpayer dollars would be used."
Stay tuned to ESPN 104.1 and ESPN 1050 as well as www.espnwilliamsport.com for details on this developing story.

Kanka 01-25-2013 12:55 AM

And this:
http://www.espnwilliamsport.com/
Quote:

Staff Reports
ESPNWilliamsport
This morning I have received several phone calls from city residence in regards to what activities that have been occurring this morning at Bowman Field. The callers want to know what the employees of Streets and Parks are preforming. The work that has been done this morning at Bowman Field has been directed by myself.
I have directed Streets and Parks employees to change locks at the locker rooms. This has been done to prevent Don Kiernan, President of the Federal Hockey league and President of the Syracuse Jr. Hockey Club and the Williamsport Outlaws from retrieving personal items from our city property. I have made it clear that their personal belongings will not be given to them until outstanding bills are paid for to the city. This action is an executive decision.

Wease 01-25-2013 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 58276887)
What are the players salaries in this league ? I'm just curious to what a guy like Pierre Dagenais or James Sanford would have made while playing in the FHL...

From what I read on another message board, about $50 a game.

SFTC Addict 01-25-2013 10:13 AM

LOL. Comedy in Williamsport.

No Fun Shogun 01-25-2013 11:25 AM

Methinks I should try to go to a Dashers game next time I'm visiting my parents downstate, as that might very well be the only chance I have to see an FHL game....

Sometimes, a train wreck can be fun to watch, too!


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