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Crafton 01-21-2013 11:33 PM

All Encompassing Winger Acquisition Thread
 
WINGERZ

Player
Birth Year
Age
Current Team
Playoffs
Cap Hit
Signed Till
Role
Our Hope Hinges On:
Corey Perry
1985
27
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,325,000
2012-13
Crosby's Dream
Pending UFA
Bobby Ryan
1987
25
Anaheim
In Contention
$5,100,000
2014-15
Crosby's Dream
Pure Fantasy
Thomas Vanek
1984
29
Buffalo
In Contention
$7,142,857
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
Burdensome Contract?
Drew Stafford
1985
27
Buffalo
In Contention
$4,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's School-Chum
Playing on Third Line
Alex Semin
1984
28
Carolina
In Contention
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Hired Gun
Pending UFA
RJ Umberger
1982
30
Columbus
In Contention
$4,600,000
2016-17
Malkin's Kunitz?
Burdensome Contract?
Jarome Iginla
1977
35
Calgary
In Contention
$7,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Guerin
Pending UFA, Bourque-ing
Viktor Stålberg
1986
27
Chicago
In Contention
$875,000
2012-13
Crosby's TFK?
Ample Forward Depth?
Jamie McGinn
1988
24
Colorado
In Contention
$1,750,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Ample Forward Depth?
David Jones
1984
28
Colorado
In Contention
$4,000,000
2015-16
Crosby's Pop-Star
Ample Forward Depth?
Ray Whitney
1972
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,500,000
2013-14
Crosby's Wizard
Ample Forward Depth?
Brenden Morrow
1979
34
Dallas
In Contention
$4,100,000
2012-13
Crosby's Kunitz Redux
Playing on Third Line
Jaromír Jágr
1972
40
Dallas
In Contention
$4,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Troll
Pending UFA, Nostalgia
Michael Ryder
1980
32
Dallas
In Contention
$3,500,000
2012-13
Crosby's Sniper
Pending UFA
Johan Franzen
1979
33
Detroit
In Contention
$3,954,545
2019-20
Crosby's Mule
Burdensome Lifetime Contract?
Aleš Hemský
1983
29
Edmonton
In Contention
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Playmaker
Youth Movement?
Magnus Pääjärvi
1991
21
Edmonton
In Contention
$1,525,000
2012-13
Malkin's Kunitz?
Ample Forward Depth?
Charlie Coyle
1992
20
Minnesota
In Contention
$975,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Ample Forward Depth?
Dany Heatley
1981
32
Minnesota
In Contention
$7,500,000
2013-14
Not Crosby's Driver
Burdensome Contract?
PM Bouchard
1984
28
Minnesota
In Contention
$4,080,000
2012-13
Crosby's Quiet Room Bud
Pending UFA
Devin Setoguchi
1987
26
Minnesota
In Contention
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Brian Gionta
1979
34
Montréal
In Contention
$5,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Midget
Overpriced Veteran
Colin Wilson
1989
23
Nashville
In Contention
$2,000,000
2014-15
Crosby's Neal
Hockey Trade?
Patric Hörnqvist
1987
26
Nashville
In Contention
$3,083,333
2012-13
Crosby's Net-Front Screen
Pending RFA
Nino Niederreiter
1992
20
NY Islanders
In Contention
$2,795,000
2013-14
Crosby's Neal
Katie Strang Report
Radim Vrbata
1981
31
Phoenix
In Contention
$3,000,000
2013-14
Crosby's Sniper
Hockey Trade?
Ryane Clowe
1982
30
San Jose
In Contention
$3,625,000
2012-13
Crosby's Kunitz Redux
Pending UFA
Chris Stewart
1987
25
St. Louis
In Contention
$3,000,000
2012-13
Crosby's Neal
Little Hope, RFA, Hockey Trade?
Ryan Malone
1979
33
Tampa Bay
In Contention
$4,500,000
2014-15
Overpaid Veteran
Clarke MacArthur
1985
27
Toronto
In Contention
$3,250,000
2012-13
Crosby's Big Chief
Underwhelming Performance, UFA
Николай Кулёмин
1986
26
Toronto
In Contention
$2,800,000
2013-14
Malkin's BFF
Underwhelming Performance
Blake Wheeler
1986
26
Winnipeg
In Contention
$2,550,000
2012-13
Crosby's Playmaker
Little Hope, Pending RFA

lets keep all winger acquisition talk here.

wheelz87 01-22-2013 03:32 AM

I'd give anything to have one of those top 2.

Other than those 2 I'd love to have Iginla. Him and Sid, Geno and Neal would be simply unreal.

aSockalypse 01-22-2013 04:04 AM

Let's just get Tarasenko I'm sure STL will give him up for Lovejoy & a 1st right?

#66 01-22-2013 06:20 AM

He's never talked about but I think Getzlaf would look great as Crosbys winger. Pending UFA but I think the Ducks keep him.

I'm a big Clowe fan and his #1 on my list. I think the Pens top 6 needs his size and brand of mean.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Hemsky. He would be just what the PP needs. Tons of skill and a righty shot. I also think he's gettable. His injuries worry me though.

Morrow is another guy that worries me because he always seems to miss time and is slightly older than I would like to see. If the Pens could somehow get Ritche worked into a deal I would pass out. Gotta say the East really needs to see a line of Clowe-Crosby-Morrow..

Alesle 01-22-2013 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #66 (Post 58070827)
He's never talked about but I think Getzlaf would look great as Crosbys winger. Pending UFA but I think the Ducks keep him.

I'm a big Clowe fan and his #1 on my list. I think the Pens top 6 needs his size and brand of mean.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Hemsky. He would be just what the PP needs. Tons of skill and a righty shot. I also think he's gettable. His injuries worry me though.

Morrow is another guy that worries me because he always seems to miss time and is slightly older than I would like to see. If the Pens could somehow get Ritche worked into a deal I would pass out. Gotta say the East really needs to see a line of Clowe-Crosby-Morrow..

Based on how Morrow looked last season and so far this season, I've very little interest in him.

From the list in the OP (good list Lost in Crafton!), I would look into acquiring Clowe, Ryder, PM Bouchard, Setoguchi, Hörnqvist or Malone (if Tampa retains some of his salary) if their respective teams are well out of contention at the deadline. I've a feeling the rest of the players would come at too high of a cost, either in the form of assets or salary. I'm pretty sure Minnesota makes the playoffs though, which would limit "my" list quite considerably.

regard 01-22-2013 07:47 AM

Why is Chris Stewart listed as "No Hope"?
Blues have great winger depth and a bunch of righties and he wasnt exactly blowing them away before.


I really wish we could have taken advantage or when Brown was "on the block" or Stewart was struggling or when Oshie, Wilson were "in the doghouse". But of course those GMs arent stupid. Im not sure Brown was really on the block and theres no saying hed have been cheap.

Boocock 01-22-2013 08:04 AM

Magnus Pääjärvi might need a change of scenery. He's a former #10 overall pick, so Edmonton might not wish to part with the investment they made in 2009. He was scratched against Vancouver, whatever that means.

Alesle 01-22-2013 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regard (Post 58072113)
Why is Chris Stewart listed as "No Hope"?
Blues have great winger depth and a bunch of righties and he wasnt exactly blowing them away before.

What could we possibly offer, that we would be willing to part with, that would make the Blues listen? They have no need for picks or prospects, and are probably only interested in youngish proven top 9 forwards (that are at the very least as good as Stewart) or top 4 defenders. At this point in time, we don't make very good trading partners.

Ogelthorpe 01-22-2013 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #66 (Post 58070827)
He's never talked about but I think Getzlaf would look great as Crosbys winger. Pending UFA but I think the Ducks keep him.

I'm a big Clowe fan and his #1 on my list. I think the Pens top 6 needs his size and brand of mean.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Hemsky. He would be just what the PP needs. Tons of skill and a righty shot. I also think he's gettable. His injuries worry me though.

Morrow is another guy that worries me because he always seems to miss time and is slightly older than I would like to see. If the Pens could somehow get Ritche worked into a deal I would pass out. Gotta say the East really needs to see a line of Clowe-Crosby-Morrow..

The reason nobody talks about Getzlaf is because he is a Center.

Le Magnifique 66 01-22-2013 08:23 AM

Besides the big names, Ryan Clowe would be my target but not sure the Sharks would move him

Also as much as I wanted Parise, if the Ducks can't work out an extension with Perry Shero better be ready this summer to offer him a huge deal

Phil68 01-22-2013 08:29 AM

I believe we have the cap space but why not try and get Viktor Stålberg
or Magnus Pääjärvi.. If not both... Paajarvi would develop great being on Malkin's wing and big Stalberg on Crosby's wing with Kunitz

gdsmack267 01-22-2013 08:42 AM

Michael Ryder stands out to me. Could get him for Kunitz like money and ive always like his shot. Think he could be a 35 goal winger consistently with Crosby.

Le Magnifique 66 01-22-2013 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdsmack267 (Post 58073581)
Michael Ryder stands out to me. Could get him for Kunitz like money and ive always like his shot. Think he could be a 35 goal winger consistently with Crosby.

But I think the Stars are in win now mode especially with the signings of Whitney and Jagr. If they're totally out of it by deadline, maybe they will want to move him but if it's close I think they keep him

Heck I'd even take Jagr back

Dupree13 01-22-2013 08:46 AM

Due to cap uncertainty, I don't think it would be prudent to go for anybody who is owed or will be owed big money beyond next year. As much as we could use another skilled winger, it would be a luxury at this point, not a desperate need.

In view of that, if I were Shero I'd look to go one of two directions. Either a pure rental (Iginla or more likely a lesser cost rental) or an under the radar younger guy at a reasonable cost.

regard 01-22-2013 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alesle (Post 58072653)
What could we possibly offer, that we would be willing to part with, that would make the Blues listen? They have no need for picks or prospects, and are probably only interested in youngish proven top 9 forwards (that are at the very least as good as Stewart) or top 4 defenders. At this point in time, we don't make very good trading partners.

What could we possibly offer??

They dont need more forwards. Why would they trade Stewart and expect a better winger in his place?

Theyve been looking for left handed defenders, someone to play with Pietrangelo. That could cater towards us just fine. Depending on his value we would have the assets to make it happen, itd just be a matter of whether Shero saw it as worth it.

#66 01-22-2013 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogelthorpe (Post 58072677)
The reason nobody talks about Getzlaf is because he is a Center.

That doesn't mean he has to stay there. Look at how Lemieux played center. He was pretty much a LWer way before the Lemieux-Francis-Jagr line was put together.

Another name worth mentioning is Havlat?

Also I know Morrow is at a low point but maybe that just makes him tradable. Low ball Dallas.

Alesle 01-22-2013 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boocock (Post 58072475)
Magnus Pääjärvi might need a change of scenery. He's a former #10 overall pick, so Edmonton might not wish to part with the investment they made in 2009. He was scratched against Vancouver, whatever that means.

What can we offer Edmonton for Pääjärvi? Like us they have a plethora of promising defensemen, and I don't think they'd have any interest in draft picks, as that would just set their rebuild back further. They are looking to win in the near future, and the only things I could see them being interested in is a good two-way physical center with size for their 2nd line or a (potential) #1 defensemen. I would expect them to try and package Pääjärvi and Gagner for an upgrade in one of those positions.

All that aside, I'm not even convinced Pääjärvi would be a better option for our top 6 this season than Bennett.

regard 01-22-2013 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alesle (Post 58073907)
What can we offer Edmonton for Pääjärvi? Like us they have a plethora of promising defensemen, and I don't think they'd have any interest in draft picks, as that would just set their rebuild back further. They are looking to win in the near future, and the only things I could see them being interested in is a good two-way physical center with size for their 2nd line or a (potential) #1 defensemen. I would expect them to try and package Pääjärvi and Gagner for an upgrade in one of those positions.

All that aside, I'm not even convinced Pääjärvi would be a better option for our top 6 this season than Bennett.

Why are you so convinced we dont have the assets to get anyone?

You say Paajarvi might not be an upgrade for us but insist they'll want a 2nd line center or #1 dman for him?

IDK about thier stable of promising Dmen, adding Shultz helped.

MonsterSurge 01-22-2013 09:22 AM

Iginla, Clowe, or go home.

Alesle 01-22-2013 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regard (Post 58073781)
What could we possibly offer??

They dont need more forwards. Why would they trade Stewart and expect a better winger in his place?

Theyve been looking for left handed defenders, someone to play with Pietrangelo. That could cater towards us just fine. Depending on his value we would have the assets to make it happen, itd just be a matter of whether Shero saw it as worth it.

I'll clarify. My point was that they are looking to win now, and we would probably have to offer an equal or better player for them to be interested. Unless we have other players that can step right and replace the player we traded away, we would just fix one problem and create another. When one of our defensive prospects are ready for top 4 duties I agree that Stewart would be a very attractive and possible addition, but I don't envision that happening during this season (hence the "at this point in time" comment). I would love to be wrong on that part though :).

Quote:

Originally Posted by regard (Post 58074109)
Why are you so convinced we dont have the assets to get anyone?

I don't think we have a lot of expendable assets that are attractive to other contending teams. We have plenty of expendable pieces attractive to teams looking to rebuild.

Quote:

Originally Posted by regard (Post 58074109)
You say Paajarvi might not be an upgrade for us but insist they'll want a 2nd line center or #1 dman for him?

I'm saying he's one of their better trade baits to include in a trade for possible upgrades in positions of need.

Quote:

Originally Posted by regard (Post 58074109)
IDK about thier stable of promising Dmen, adding Shultz helped.

At the very least, in addition to Schultz, Klefbom and Musil looks very promising, while Petry has looked good so far in the NHL. I don't see young defensemen as a need for them, unless it's a potential #1.

UnrealMachine 01-22-2013 09:27 AM

Whatever happens, I would not be in favor of trading young prospects for older, pending UFA players. I would much prefer someone who is still on their ELC or pending RFA (similar to Neal, I guess). The idea of trading someone like Morrow+ to rent Iginla for a few weeks (potentially) is not good. Iginla is past his prime and will still be expensive to re-sign. Add to that, we would be resuming the search for winger in a season or two. Let's think of a long (er)-term solution. Someone who can potentially play here for the next decade.

cheesedanish87 01-22-2013 09:33 AM

Can someone explain to me why everybody is so crazy about getting a winger? Im sure everybody would agree if our big guys stay healthy were gonna be top 5 in offense(prob 1st). If the pens had a great winger last year somebody like rick nash does anybody think that would of changed the result of the flyers series? Pens tryed to outscore everybody in the playoffs last year that style dont work in the playoffs just ask bruce boudreau and the caps. Pens upgrading there top 4 def should be there priority.

Captain Hook 01-22-2013 09:38 AM

The D looks fine currently.

There's no need to go cheap on Sid's wing anymore with Staal's big salary gone. Many of us have waited patiently to see how good this team can be when both Sid and Gino have legit wingers. It's time for that to happen.

A winger can also add defense through offense by helping Crosby attack and consequently pinning other teams in their own end.

#66 01-22-2013 09:41 AM

Maybe we're thinking to big. I wouldn't mind going after Tatar, Brett Ritchie or Austin Watson.

Another vet to add to the list would be Vermette.

MonsterSurge 01-22-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #66 (Post 58075919)
Maybe we're thinking to big. I wouldn't mind going after Tatar, Brett Ritchie or Austin Watson.

Another vet to add to the list would be Vermette.

I think Ritchie is still in juniors, but yes!


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