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Puckgenius* 01-22-2013 10:32 PM

Jay Bouwmeester to any Eastern Conference team
 
He has to go, his time has well expired as a flame. Hes now on the flames 2nd pairing and really is no longer needed with his big contract. Wideman can actually run a PP for less $ and isnt soft as a marshmallow. Giordano is the flames cornerstone dman. Flames need to move Bouwmeester for a hard hitting physical dman cause this blueline is as soft as they come.

Bouwmeester's strength is skating and positional awareness, and he still gets beat wide regularly and gets caught shadowing the wrong guy at times. When you're one-dimensional you need to be REALLY good at that dimension and that's not the case right now. If he was in the hardest shot contest, Jay Bo would win the weakest shot. Guys on the farm could shoot better than him. Cmon Jay put some muscle into it, show it like you mean it. Show some heart boy!

And when it comes to either blocking a shot or getting out of the way, he does neither.

The guy's confidence is shot and he's a shadow of the d-man he used to be. Was hopeful that things might be different under Hartley but perhaps it'd be best for him to get a fresh start elsewhere.

JayBos game is best suited for the East where there is much less physical contact and more of a finesse game since he doesnt like physical contact.

So any takers?

I see some teams that would be interested in him

NYI
NJD
PHI

Wizeman* 01-22-2013 10:43 PM

I think his contract devalues him to where he is more valuable to the Flames than he is to anyone would be willing to offer.

TheHudlinator 01-22-2013 10:46 PM

Giordano has been just as bad if not worse to start the year I wouldn't move him yet.

Miller Time 01-22-2013 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puckgenius (Post 58137231)
He has to go, his time has well expired as a flame. Hes now on the flames 2nd pairing and really is no longer needed with his big contract. Wideman can actually run a PP for less $ and isnt soft as a marshmallow. Giordano is the flames cornerstone dman.

Bouwmeester's strength is skating and positional awareness, and he still gets beat wide regularly and gets caught shadowing the wrong guy at times. When you're one-dimensional you need to be REALLY good at that dimension and that's not the case right now. If he was in the hardest shot contest, Jay Bo would win the weakest shot. Guys on the farm could shoot better than him.

And when it comes to either blocking a shot or getting out of the way, he does neither.

The guy's confidence is shot and he's a shadow of the d-man he used to be. Was hopeful that things might be different under Hartley but perhaps it'd be best for him to get a fresh start elsewhere.

JayBos game is best suited for the East where there is much less physical contact and more of a finesse game since he doesnt like physical contact.

So any takers?

can't say i agree with this "east is much less physical/more finesse" B.S... but JBo certainly could benefit from a change of scenery.

he probably just needs to be slotted in as a 2nd pairing dman at this point, that or the complement to an elite #1 dman. Issue, of course, is that he's paid to be a top-pairing #1.

I could see the Islanders having some interest... replace Vishnovsky who no showed, and a small enough market (attention-wise) that he wouldn't have to deal with the fans/press getting on him for his high-pay average-play.

Flames could certainly use an elite young talent like Niederreiter... could be a fit for both teams assuming Snow has the ok to add that much salary (in light of the Vishnovsky suspension, fair to speculate that he does have a few M$ to work with, and for next season they'll need to add payroll anyways) and probably would require the flames adding something to the deal.

Captials are struggling out of the gate and have a few players i'm sure they'd consider moving (not so much b/c of the struggles in 2 games, but building on last year's play).

To CGY
Ward
Schultz

To WSH
JBo

probably not the return the flames would be looking for, but a 6.7M$ dman playing at a 4-5 level is going to be tough to move, especially with the cap reduction coming.

mcphllp 01-22-2013 10:50 PM

probably have to take a terrible player with a terrible contract back

TML g u n n e R s* 01-22-2013 10:51 PM

komi + 3rd :D

CREW99AW 01-22-2013 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller Time (Post 58138471)
I could see the Islanders having some interest... replace Vishnovsky who no showed, and a small enough market (attention-wise) that he wouldn't have to deal with the fans/press getting on him for his high-pay average-play.

Flames could certainly use an elite young talent like Niederreiter... could be a fit for both teams assuming Snow has the ok to add that much salary (in light of the Vishnovsky suspension, fair to speculate that he does have a few M$ to work with, and for next season they'll need to add payroll anyways) and probably would require the flames adding something to the deal.

1. Vis and Snow have agreed, that Vis will join the isles after Vis' son has minor surgery on Feb 9th. Isles would rather pay Vis $3m prorated, then pay JB $6m+ prorated.

2. The isles aren't trading one of their top prospects, a kid with no leverage to demand a trade, for Bouwmeester. Not even if the Flames added a 1st.

Puckgenius* 01-22-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller Time (Post 58138471)
can't say i agree with this "east is much less physical/more finesse" B.S... but JBo certainly could benefit from a change of scenery.

he probably just needs to be slotted in as a 2nd pairing dman at this point, that or the complement to an elite #1 dman. Issue, of course, is that he's paid to be a top-pairing #1.

I could see the Islanders having some interest... replace Vishnovsky who no showed, and a small enough market (attention-wise) that he wouldn't have to deal with the fans/press getting on him for his high-pay average-play.

Flames could certainly use an elite young talent like Niederreiter... could be a fit for both teams assuming Snow has the ok to add that much salary (in light of the Vishnovsky suspension, fair to speculate that he does have a few M$ to work with, and for next season they'll need to add payroll anyways) and probably would require the flames adding something to the deal.

Captials are struggling out of the gate and have a few players i'm sure they'd consider moving (not so much b/c of the struggles in 2 games, but building on last year's play).

To CGY
Ward
Schultz

To WSH
JBo

probably not the return the flames would be looking for, but a 6.7M$ dman playing at a 4-5 level is going to be tough to move, especially with the cap reduction coming.

I think the only way the flames move him is if they take half of his contract, cause at 3m itll be a lot easier for teams to accept. But no team will want him cause of his regressing play and 12 goals in 248 games as a flame and a -31 just isnt going to cut it as a #1 dman logging 29mins a night. Plus the fact he has no heart and has never made the playoffs, teams wont want to curse their club.

This guy is no more than a support dman, #3 on a contender, and really should be paired with a hard hitting rugged dman who can carry the physical load while Jay does his smooth skating. Cause afterall thats his biggest asset is his smooth skating.

The guy has no physical game in him, no offensive game in him, so really hes just a smooth skating, pokechecking dman with a long reach who is excellent at chasing down iced pucks.

Miller Time 01-22-2013 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58139155)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller Time (Post 58138471)
I could see the Islanders having some interest... replace Vishnovsky who no showed, and a small enough market (attention-wise) that he wouldn't have to deal with the fans/press getting on him for his high-pay average-play.

Flames could certainly use an elite young talent like Niederreiter... could be a fit for both teams assuming Snow has the ok to add that much salary (in light of the Vishnovsky suspension, fair to speculate that he does have a few M$ to work with, and for next season they'll need to add payroll anyways) and probably would require the flames adding something to the deal.

1. Vis and Snow have agreed, that Vis will join the isles after Vis' son has minor surgery on Feb 9th. Isles would rather pay Vis $3m prorated, then pay JB $6m+ prorated.

2. The isles aren't trading one of their top prospects, a kid with no leverage to demand a trade, for Bouwmeester. Not even if the Flames added a 1st.

interesting 1st point... is that rumor or has that been confirmed publicly?

2nd point - don't doubt it... though if they had the OK to spend some money, and could get the flames to add (be it a 1st, which in the flames case, could be a top-5 pick, or other asset of value to them), Snow could do worse than to move a kid who has amazing talent but is already expressing less than stellar desire to be there.

sometimes avoiding the pissing contest is better than wielding leverage like a hammer. Getting Jbo+, whose overpriced contract means little to the Isles (again, assuming Wang gave the ok to add salary), at the expense of a guy not on the roster who is potentially less than committed to being there, wouldn't be terrible.

Not saying they need to move NN... but looking at their contract/rpster situation beyond this year, finding some players a bit better than the Carkner/Boyes variety to add to a pretty talented group of young players, would not be a bad thing. JBo isn't as bad as some make him out to be, just isn't the #1 dman he's paid to be.

Asquaredx2 01-23-2013 12:24 AM

What would you want from Ottawa, hypothetically?

SchennSational1022* 01-23-2013 12:47 AM

Please get him to philly asap. What would you want?

TheHudlinator 01-23-2013 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SchennSational1096 (Post 58144317)
Please get him to philly asap. What would you want?

Assuming the usual Schenn's etc are off the board

Maybe
Gustafsson + Wellwood + 1st(Philly picks if its this year or next)

western redmen 01-23-2013 12:52 AM

I would move Giordano before jbo, at least jbo can somewhat handle top 2 minutes

FlyingHigh28* 01-23-2013 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 58144357)
Assuming the usual Schenn's etc are off the board

Maybe
Gustafsson + Wellwood + 1st(Philly picks if its this year or next)

At that price, how much of his cap hit are you keeping on your books?

DKQ 01-23-2013 01:02 AM

I can tell you OP that the Devils are trying to get rid of defensemen, not take more in

Tender Rip 01-23-2013 04:22 AM

Calgary would do well to retain some of JBos salary while dealing him (like 40/50 percent). It will greatly increase his value/return, and Calgary aren't doing anything for the duration of JBo's contract anyway.

No one but contending teams would really move assets for 1,5 seasons worth of Bouwmeester, and contending teams cannot allow themselves to have as big of a questionmark as he has become with a 6.68 million caphit. At least not for next season when the cap plummets.

CREW99AW 01-23-2013 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller Time (Post 58142091)
interesting 1st point... is that rumor or has that been confirmed publicly?

2nd point - don't doubt it... though if they had the OK to spend some money, and could get the flames to add (be it a 1st, which in the flames case, could be a top-5 pick, or other asset of value to them), Snow could do worse than to move a kid who has amazing talent but is already expressing less than stellar desire to be there.

sometimes avoiding the pissing contest is better than wielding leverage like a hammer. Getting Jbo+, whose overpriced contract means little to the Isles (again, assuming Wang gave the ok to add salary), at the expense of a guy not on the roster who is potentially less than committed to being there, wouldn't be terrible.

Not saying they need to move NN... but looking at their contract/rpster situation beyond this year, finding some players a bit better than the Carkner/Boyes variety to add to a pretty talented group of young players, would not be a bad thing. JBo isn't as bad as some make him out to be, just isn't the #1 dman he's paid to be.


Vis joining the Isles after his son's surgery, has been confirmed by Vis in interviews and a fan chat.
It's also been confirmed in Newsday, by Botta in a tweet and Strang in a tweet.

Donovan's having his second straight strong season.
Reinhart kept in simple in the training camp scrimmage, looked good.
De Haan's shoulder injuries are a concern, but when playing, he looks so poised.


No interest in JayBo to LI. No interest in moving Nino for a mid-late first and/or JayBo.

Isles aren't helping Calgary get a top youngster for a disappointing,overpaid JayBo.

EnglishDevil 01-23-2013 05:06 AM

How about something around:

To :flames

Volchenkov
+

To :devils

Bouwmeester

Bouwmeester could come live in relative obscurity in NJ and possibly find his game again, whereas the flames get a hard hitting physical defender who blocks a ton of shots; both have fairly large contracts, although Bouwmeesters is probably a little worse at least in the short term. Devils have the space though; what else would Calgary want?

DonthaveaCOWEN 01-23-2013 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishDevil (Post 58147219)
How about something around:

To :flames

Volchenkov
+

To :devils

Bouwmeester

Bouwmeester could come live in relative obscurity in NJ and possibly find his game again, whereas the flames get a hard hitting physical defender who blocks a ton of shots; both have fairly large contracts, although Bouwmeesters is probably a little worse at least in the short term. Devils have the space though; what else would Calgary want?

As a neutral fan having no bias, this is actually a very fair trade of a D-Dman for an O-Dman who both had some great seasons in years past but have taken a step back recently and a change of scenary/system could do them both good. I'm too lazy to look at Capgeek right now but I'm assuming Bouw makes about 1-1.5 mill more, but with a soon to be expiring contract. Call that a wash.

Domino11 01-23-2013 05:42 AM

Montreal give u kaberle + Leblanc vs jbo

Abbotsford Heat 01-23-2013 07:35 AM

So 1 game with reduced ice-time means he is on the second pairing now? Good to know.

DBU 01-23-2013 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingHigh28 (Post 58144515)
At that price, how much of his cap hit are you keeping on your books?

Cap hit is $6,680,000

40% of that is $2,939,200, which I'd say is more than fair. Bouwmeester's contract is up after next season. His actual salary is a hair under 6.68 (it's actually 6.6).

Analyzer 01-23-2013 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domino11 (Post 58147495)
Montreal give u kaberle + Leblanc vs jbo

Montreal give u nothing for Jbo.

We don't want him.

If he were cheaper, sure, but then he'd cost more to acquire.

TCNorthstars 01-23-2013 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puckgenius (Post 58137231)
He has to go, his time has well expired as a flame. Hes now on the flames 2nd pairing and really is no longer needed with his big contract. Wideman can actually run a PP for less $ and isnt soft as a marshmallow. Giordano is the flames cornerstone dman. Flames need to move Bouwmeester for a hard hitting physical dman cause this blueline is as soft as they come.

Bouwmeester's strength is skating and positional awareness, and he still gets beat wide regularly and gets caught shadowing the wrong guy at times. When you're one-dimensional you need to be REALLY good at that dimension and that's not the case right now. If he was in the hardest shot contest, Jay Bo would win the weakest shot. Guys on the farm could shoot better than him. Cmon Jay put some muscle into it, show it like you mean it. Show some heart boy!

And when it comes to either blocking a shot or getting out of the way, he does neither.

The guy's confidence is shot and he's a shadow of the d-man he used to be. Was hopeful that things might be different under Hartley but perhaps it'd be best for him to get a fresh start elsewhere.

JayBos game is best suited for the East where there is much less physical contact and more of a finesse game since he doesnt like physical contact.

So any takers?

I see some teams that would be interested in him

NYI
NJD
PHI


Why would any of those teams need the ineffective D-man that you describe? And at a large cap hit no less!

Wizeman* 01-23-2013 09:24 AM

Why are the proposals almost always some ineffective or aging player with a large salary cap trying to be unloaded to a team in the other conference for cheap young talent and or draft picks?


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