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LEAFANFORLIFE23 01-23-2013 06:20 AM

Jimmy Howard to the Leafs
 
What would it take to get Jimmy Howard if the red wings were to fall out of the race early? The more I think about it the more Howard makes since. Don't get me wrong Scrivens has been solid but I think with this team being as young as it is I think Nonis will want to add some experience at 28 Howard serves as both an experience vet and long term peice hence he's the perfect fit.

what would he cost

seanlinden 01-23-2013 06:28 AM

Detroit is the last team that's going to start selling off assets if they're out of it, and if they do, their 28-year old starting goaltender is unlikely to be one of them. They know the value of a winning culture.

Dr Pepper 01-23-2013 06:32 AM

I feel Toronto was foolish to rely on Scrivens/Reimer to lead the Leafs in goal.

Holland would never make the same mistake.

DoubleDose86 01-23-2013 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by seanlinden (Post 58147989)
Detroit is the last team that's going to start selling off assets if they're out of it, and if they do, their 28-year old starting goaltender is unlikely to be one of them. They know the value of a winning culture.

Howard is exactly what I'd want for the Leafs. Not too old. But has proven he can help a team win.

But as sean says, Detroit just wouldn't give him up. Too smart of a team to let a goaltender like Howard go.

CorgisPer60 01-23-2013 06:48 AM

Everything to Toronto! Your best players!

OCPenguin 01-23-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by seanlinden (Post 58147989)
Detroit is the last team that's going to start selling off assets if they're out of it, and if they do, their 28-year old starting goaltender is unlikely to be one of them. They know the value of a winning culture.


I don't know. I just don't see much for Detroit this year. Yes, injuries hurt, but even a healthy Detroit team is going to not look good IMO. You have some assets that can be sent to get younger. Howard, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Filippa and I guess Brunner can be your core to keep. I'd send Bertuzzi, Franzen, and some of the older guys that aren't productive for picks to try to restock the farm. Detroit is a model organization and will be going through a downward trend for a year or two. Still talent on the roster, but lets face it, most of the talent is old.

gabeliscious 01-23-2013 07:43 AM

who is going to play net for detroit if they trade toronto howard?

The Podium 01-23-2013 07:44 AM

What are the chances he makes it to UFA status?

Vipers31 01-23-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OCPenguin (Post 58149091)
I don't know. I just don't see much for Detroit this year.

Even if that held up true, Detroit isn't about this year. Detroit is about a good balance between this year, next year, and in five years. And in any of those options, their 28-year-old starting goalie is a considerable factor.

Teams are aware how difficult fixing that position can be.

EDIT: I didn't realize he was actually a UFA at the end of the season. I don't suppose it actually changes anything, and I certainly expect things to get worked out (sooner rather than later), but that makes the entire premise a little less outlandish, to be fair.

Brooklanders* 01-23-2013 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vipers31 (Post 58149553)
Even if that held up true, Detroit isn't about this year. Detroit is about a good balance between this year, next year, and in five years. And in any of those options, their 28-year-old starting goalie is a considerable factor.

Teams are aware how difficult fixing that position can be.

Howard is very good but I dont believe he is a top 10 goalie

Vipers31 01-23-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BROOKLYnKNIGHTS (Post 58149593)
Howard is very good but I dont believe he is a top 10 goalie

I didn't say he was, and it doesn't really matter, IMO. Whether it's top-10 or just a very reliable starter who's below 30, it's something organisations don't take for granted, and that can be very difficult to fill.

OCPenguin 01-23-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BROOKLYnKNIGHTS (Post 58149593)
Howard is very good but I dont believe he is a top 10 goalie

Bottom line, you don't trade Howard unless you have a kid ready to go and I'm talking the goalie of the future. I'm not certain Detroit has one of those. Detroit isn't the type of organization to tank regardless of the situation. That said, they have some moves they can make to secure a better future.

doorman 01-23-2013 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OCPenguin (Post 58149911)
Bottom line, you don't trade Howard unless you have a kid ready to go and I'm talking the goalie of the future. I'm not certain Detroit has one of those. Detroit isn't the type of organization to tank regardless of the situation. That said, they have some moves they can make to secure a better future.

Could they be an unknown player in Loungo talks though? If this is the case they maybe looking to move Howard. Not saying to the Leafs, just saying looking to move him.

OCPenguin 01-23-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by doorman (Post 58150451)
Could they be an unknown player in Loungo talks though? If this is the case they maybe looking to move Howard. Not saying to the Leafs, just saying looking to move him.

Not feeling that. Something about Luongo in Detroit doesn't feel like it would be a good thing. I'm not sure what Vancouver is looking for. Are they trying to just get rid of the contract and acquire picks and a veteran like Bertuzzi, or are they looking for a significant return. I'm not sure there is a match here if the return is going to be significant.

pdd 01-23-2013 08:36 AM

If Howard were to be traded to the Leafs, it would probably be something hefty.

1) 1st round pick.
2) Defenseman, probably Gunnarsson, although Holland would likely ask for Phaneuf and/or Gardiner.
3) Forward, a guy who is under 30 and fits the Wings' playing style. Kulemin, Grabovski, or Van Riemsdyk would be a good pick here.
4) One of Scrivens or Reimer.

Kyle Quincey likely goes with Jimmy Howard. It's possible that Valtteri Filppula is also involved in the deal, which would likely mean Toronto is sending more back than what I've detailed above.

KlattNazty 01-23-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 58150841)
If Howard were to be traded to the Leafs, it would probably be something hefty.

1) 1st round pick.
2) Defenseman, probably Gunnarsson, although Holland would likely ask for Phaneuf and/or Gardiner.
3) Forward, a guy who is under 30 and fits the Wings' playing style. Kulemin, Grabovski, or Van Riemsdyk would be a good pick here.
4) One of Scrivens or Reimer.

Kyle Quincey likely goes with Jimmy Howard. It's possible that Valtteri Filppula is also involved in the deal, which would likely mean Toronto is sending more back than what I've detailed above.

hahahahah for an UFA howard?

wingfan 01-23-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OCPenguin (Post 58150563)
Not feeling that. Something about Luongo in Detroit doesn't feel like it would be a good thing. I'm not sure what Vancouver is looking for. Are they trying to just get rid of the contract and acquire picks and a veteran like Bertuzzi, or are they looking for a significant return. I'm not sure there is a match here if the return is going to be significant.

There is no such thing as a significant return on a contract like Luongo's. Detroit says we'll give you, I don't know, Cleary, Quincey, and a 2nd. Vancouver says no. Detroit says alright, buy him out and get nothing. This, in my opinion, is the issue with a trade happening. Vancouver is probably trying to squeeze every drop of value out of Luongo, but in all reality he doesn't have much. I don't blame Vancouver, and Luongo is still an elite goaltender, but at this point it's trade him just to get something in return, or buy him out, eat his salary, and get nothing in return... Detroit has the cap space. Howard could be a very lucrative asset for Detroit if something like this were to go through(I'm talking Jake Gardiner or Morgan Reilly lucrative for a team with goalies that can't stop beach balls, and complain all you want TO fans, this is what it'd take to get Howie out of Detroit).

Jurky 01-23-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Podium (Post 58149551)
What are the chances he makes it to UFA status?

IMO, slim to none, even if they miss the playoffs this year.

OCPenguin 01-23-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wingfan (Post 58151023)
There is no such thing as a significant return on a contract like Luongo's. Detroit says we'll give you, I don't know, Cleary, Quincey, and a 2nd. Vancouver says no. Detroit says alright, buy him out and get nothing. This, in my opinion, is the issue with a trade happening. Vancouver is probably trying to squeeze every drop of value out of Luongo, but in all reality he doesn't have much. I don't blame Vancouver, and Luongo is still an elite goaltender, but at this point it's trade him just to get something in return, or buy him out, eat his salary, and get nothing in return... Detroit has the cap space. Howard could be a very lucrative asset for Detroit if something like this were to go through(I'm talking Jake Gardiner or Morgan Reilly lucrative for a team with goalies that can't stop beach balls, and complain all you want TO fans, this is what it'd take to get Howie out of Detroit).

I'm not disagreeing with you in the least. His contract is horrid and Vancouver HAS TO move him. Those two facts lower his return. You ain't going to get a significant return for him and I'm talking two first rounders and a significant player. You are going to get a combo of a third line player, a role player and a third or fourth round pick.

As for Howard, I'm not sure if I'm Toronto, I'm sending a Gardiner or Reilly to secure Howard for 40 games before he bolts as a UFA.

wingfan 01-23-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OCPenguin (Post 58151445)
I'm not disagreeing with you in the least. His contract is horrid and Vancouver HAS TO move him. Those two facts lower his return. You ain't going to get a significant return for him and I'm talking two first rounders and a significant player. You are going to get a combo of a third line player, a role player and a third or fourth round pick.

As for Howard, I'm not sure if I'm Toronto, I'm sending a Gardiner or Reilly to secure Howard for 40 games before he bolts as a UFA.

I understand this cause for concern, but my guess is that if TO is trading for a goalie of Howard's caliber, they are going to lock him up on a deal that is going to pay him much more than a team like Detroit will. I bet he could get 6/30 out of TO, or something around there. If he stays in Detroit, my guess is Holland offers 5/15 or thereabouts max as Detroit has only paid big bucks for two guys in recent memory, Dominik Hasek and Curtis Joseph. We are also talking about the Toronto Maple Leafs, regardless of whether Burke is there or not. Detroit has no reason to move a core piece for anything less than a blue chip prospect.

syc 01-23-2013 09:08 AM

If they Leafs trade for Howard it would be Raycroft 2.0 all over again. That guy is not a good goalie whos stats are inflated due to the team in front of him.

He not even a top 20 goalie in the NHL let alone a top 10.

Wouldn't even give them a 2nd round pick for him.

Liferleafer 01-23-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gabeliscious (Post 58149501)
who is going to play net for detroit if they trade toronto howard?

Haven't been in the Luongo thread? Seems some believe Detriot is Mike Gillis' mystery team.

icKx 01-23-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BROOKLYnKNIGHTS (Post 58149593)
Howard is very good but I dont believe he is a top 10 goalie

If you say so. He was Vezina-caliber last season prior to injury in February.

Lundqvist
Rinne
Quick
Ward
Price

You've got those guys clearly above Howard and then a handful of debatable ones. I'd slot him around #9

MurrayBannerman 01-23-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Modo (Post 58148065)
I feel Toronto was foolish to rely on Scrivens/Reimer to lead the Leafs in goal.

Holland would never make the same mistake.

*looks at the Wings D corps*

Well, I guess it's not the SAME mistake.

roboninja 01-23-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19 (Post 58152809)
maybe come back and post when the booze and drugs wear off ehhh?

I agree with him. I see Howard as average at best.


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