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Homeland Security 01-23-2013 12:03 PM

How the New CBA Affects the Isles
 
http://islanderspointblank.com/islan...the-islanders/

Sidney the Kidney 01-23-2013 12:17 PM

I like that bonuses no longer count toward the cap. IMO, that was one of the bigger "loopholes" that needed addressing, and am glad it was addressed.

blinkman360 01-23-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidney the Kidney (Post 58160705)
I like that bonuses no longer count toward the cap. IMO, that was one of the bigger "loopholes" that needed addressing, and am glad it was addressed.

Maybe a loophole for teams like the Isles trying to reach the cap floor, but now it will be a loophole for teams trying to stay under the cap ceiling.

If I understand this correctly, a team with $2M in cap space can sign an elite player to $2M, but throw in $4-5M in easily obtainable bonuses. So his cap hit is only $2M, but in reality he's making $6 or $7M? Or do I have this wrong?

Sidney the Kidney 01-23-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blinkman360 (Post 58161897)
Maybe a loophole for teams like the Isles trying to reach the cap floor, but now it will be a loophole for teams trying to stay under the cap ceiling.

If I understand this correctly, a team with $2M in cap space can sign an elite player to $2M, but throw in $4-5M in easily obtainable bonuses. So his cap hit is only $2M, but in reality he's making $6 or $7M? Or do I have this wrong?

I thought there was a limit to bonuses anyway?

This is the old CBA (I believe), but I don't think the bonus rules have changed with the new one.

CBA link

Fantom 01-23-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blinkman360 (Post 58161897)
Maybe a loophole for teams like the Isles trying to reach the cap floor, but now it will be a loophole for teams trying to stay under the cap ceiling.

If I understand this correctly, a team with $2M in cap space can sign an elite player to $2M, but throw in $4-5M in easily obtainable bonuses. So his cap hit is only $2M, but in reality he's making $6 or $7M? Or do I have this wrong?

i think that if a team can afford to spend to upper limit and be able to use a cushion to spend a little more its fair. Its not fair for teams who can spend buckets to be limited either. I think if a team can afford to do so they should be allowed a small amount over cap via Bonus.

Richie Daggers Crime 01-23-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blinkman360 (Post 58161897)
If I understand this correctly, a team with $2M in cap space can sign an elite player to $2M, but throw in $4-5M in easily obtainable bonuses. So his cap hit is only $2M, but in reality he's making $6 or $7M? Or do I have this wrong?

Unless this has changed, you can only have bonuses on ELCs and for players over 35 years old. You're not gonna find much in the elite realm there. Plus, I believe that bonuses attained roll over as penalties for the next season.

blinkman360 01-23-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidney the Kidney (Post 58162187)
I thought there was a limit to bonuses anyway?

This is the old CBA (I believe), but I don't think the bonus rules have changed with the new one.

CBA link

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Originally Posted by Richie Daggers Crime (Post 58164549)
Unless this has changed, you can only have bonuses on ELCs and for players over 35 years old. You're not gonna find much in the elite realm there. Plus, I believe that bonuses attained roll over as penalties for the next season.

Wasn't aware. Thanks for clearing that up.

IceAce 01-23-2013 02:32 PM

"Affects" not "Effects"

/grammar nazi'd

redbull 01-23-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IceAce (Post 58167489)
"Affects" not "Effects"

/grammar nazi'd

like being rick rolled, or is it rick roled? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney the Kidney (Post 58160705)
I like that bonuses no longer count toward the cap. IMO, that was one of the bigger "loopholes" that needed addressing, and am glad it was addressed.

agents will find loopholes for the top

wang will find loopholes for the bottom

it's a sick game

Bunk Moreland 01-23-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by redbull (Post 58168077)
like being rick rolled, or is it rick roled? :)



agents will find loopholes for the top

wang will find loopholes for the bottom

it's a sick game

A game we Islander fans NEVER win.

A Pointed Stick 01-23-2013 04:01 PM

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REVENUE SHARING
This is a big one. Under the old CBA, the Islanders were ineligible for revenue sharing because of their proximity to New York City. In the new CBA, things won’t be perfect, but they’ll be better. The NHL has completely revamped the revenue sharing system. The top 10 revenue teams in the league will pay into a pool that goes towards assisting the bottom 20 teams, with the poorest teams receiving the most assistance. There is one catch; the Islanders can’t receive a full share. Teams with market DMAs* of greater than three million can only receive 50% of what they’re entitled to. That’s still better than the zero dollars the Islanders were getting under the old agreement that barred teams in large markets from getting any revenue sharing money. The CBA summary does not say if that money has to be spent directly on the team.
WTF? I thought the whole intent was for the clubs receiving revenue sharing to spend it on payroll to increase the overall product? Oh well, I guess that answers that but maybe it is just a case of the summary being brief? For our team's sake I hope they did not leave out the specifics.

Homeland Security 01-23-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by IceAce (Post 58167489)
"Affects" not "Effects"

/grammar nazi'd

I copied it from the site.

Anyway, changed.

puckstopper55 01-24-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie Daggers Crime (Post 58164549)
Unless this has changed, you can only have bonuses on ELCs and for players over 35 years old. You're not gonna find much in the elite realm there. Plus, I believe that bonuses attained roll over as penalties for the next season.

In the old cba you are correct. It would be rolled over to next seasons cap. Not sure about the new cba

Bert Marshall days 01-25-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by A Pointed Stick (Post 58172241)
WTF? I thought the whole intent was for the clubs receiving revenue sharing to spend it on payroll to increase the overall product? Oh well, I guess that answers that but maybe it is just a case of the summary being brief? For our team's sake I hope they did not leave out the specifics.

From the business board, there is a Revenue Sharing Oversight Committee to review below. Hopefully, they oversee that rev sharing is spent on payroll. At least the committee is in place -


- New committee created "The RSOC will consist of three (3) members chosen by the NHLPA (including at least 1 Player) and four (4) members chosen by the Commissioner, including a Chairman (and also including at least 1 Owner). The Commissioner of the NHL and the Executive Director of the NHLPA shall serve as ex-officio members of the RSOC with all rights and privileges of a RSOC member, except voting rights."
- Committee has authority to review various club financial reporting, but not 100% guaranteed access to all business related books.
- Committee can vote to increase or decrease a particular team's revenue sharing distribution by up to 15%.


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