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Leafsdude7 01-23-2013 01:52 PM

What's With Swiss Forwards And the NHL?
 
Just saw that Nino Niederreiter wants a trade. He's had 3 points in 62 games.

The list of Swiss forwards who were highly touted is extremely long:

Michal Riesen - Lasted about 4 years and was never more than a 3rd liner.
Luca Cereda - He had a heart problem at least.
Thomas Ziegler - Supposed to be a decent checking line centre. Ended up lasting 5 games.
Reto von Arx - Viewed as one of the best Swiss forwards ever. Had a cup of coffee with the Hawks and then returned home.
Luca Cunti - A former 3rd rounder. Not overly familiar with his skillset, but there was a time he was touted as a decent prospect. Never made it to the NHL.
Patrik Bartschi - Late round Pittsburgh pick. A few reports said he might have had a similar potential as Konstantin Koltsov at the time. He never made it to the NHL, either.

Then there's the long list of national team members who either were drafted and were never highly touted or were never even drafted, like Roman Wick (who did play 7 games), Kevin Romy, Flavien Conne, Martin Pluss, Romano Lemm, Marcel Jenni, Andres Ambuhl and Raffaele Sannitz.

So, with Niederreiter's apparent bust, and with this history, anyone have any explanation on what's up here, or is there just some strange NHL curse against Swiss forwards? And, perhaps more importantly, is there anything that suggest that Sven Bartschi won't bust when compared to these guys?

Soundgarden 01-23-2013 02:10 PM

El Nino is still 20 and was rushed like Joe Thornton was. I don't like him but you can't call him a bust yet.

OneMoreAstronaut 01-23-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundgarden (Post 58166401)
El Nino is still 20 and was rushed like Joe Thornton was. I don't like him but you can't call him a bust yet.

Whether Nino's a bust isn't what this thread's focusing on. Let's nip that in the bud before this good thread goes down that wrong path.

torero 01-23-2013 02:28 PM

This year, thanks to the lockout ... we had really great (NHL) players here. Some adjusted very well in terms of goals and assists (Seguin, Tavares ... ) others were less effective.

Yet a coach was commenting that the style is definitely different. Most of them were considered as liablilities defensively. It seems that the swiss style of forwards implies more defensive responsibilities.

Other than that, all the forwards mentioned correspond to a period of time where many D went the same route !

Then the Swiss had great goalies for some time (Aebischer, Gerber ... now Hiller) ... after what came some D's (Streit, Sbisa), now we will certainly see forwards. (Nino, Bartschi ... some others are cooking in NA CHL or here in Switzerland)

I do not believe that their is a major curse on Swiss forwards. It simply hapend like that ... and selective memory rounds the corner to make the image "clearer".

my 2cts

Big Phil 01-23-2013 02:48 PM

The Swiss are usually rather.........neutral on this issue ;)

I'm just kidding, but seriously it isn't unusual to see those names you posted. It isn't as if there has ever been a Swiss Sidney Crosby or anything. Michael Riesen is probably the best prospect they've ever had so it isn't as if it is a shock when most of them become busts. Maybe I am playing on the stereotype a bit here but I've always felt a Swiss player lacks the motivation to come over here when they can have a rather good life at home. As a GM, I wouldn't draft a Swiss player.

bluesfan94 01-23-2013 02:56 PM

6 busts isn't necessarily that high of a number, it's just that the Swiss haven't had the successes that others have. Look at it this way. Let's say every highly touted prospect has a 50/50 chance of busting (obviously this isn't exactly the case, but go with me). The Swiss could simply be unlucky, and due to their lack of numbers, they just haven't had the successes to balance the numbers.

the edler 01-23-2013 03:35 PM

Fabian Cancellara would have made a great power forward

LeBlondeDemon10 01-23-2013 04:14 PM

I think they have slowly developed into a decent threat on the international hockey scene. Some goalies and defensemen have become legit NHL players and I suppose now the forwards are starting to come over. They aren't the pushover they used to be. I would expect them to continue to develop legitimate defensively minded players in the future. Doesn't Jacques Lemaire have a residence there?

Hammer Time 01-24-2013 04:44 PM

Damien Brunner looks like he could buck the trend here ...

Mike Farkas 01-24-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leafsdude7 (Post 58165495)
Just saw that Nino Niederreiter wants a trade. He's had 3 points in 62 games.

The list of Swiss forwards who were highly touted is extremely long:

Michal Riesen - Lasted about 4 years and was never more than a 3rd liner.
Luca Cereda - He had a heart problem at least.
Thomas Ziegler - Supposed to be a decent checking line centre. Ended up lasting 5 games.
Reto von Arx - Viewed as one of the best Swiss forwards ever. Had a cup of coffee with the Hawks and then returned home.
Luca Cunti - A former 3rd rounder. Not overly familiar with his skillset, but there was a time he was touted as a decent prospect. Never made it to the NHL.
Patrik Bartschi - Late round Pittsburgh pick. A few reports said he might have had a similar potential as Konstantin Koltsov at the time. He never made it to the NHL, either.

Then there's the long list of national team members who either were drafted and were never highly touted or were never even drafted, like Roman Wick (who did play 7 games), Kevin Romy, Flavien Conne, Martin Pluss, Romano Lemm, Marcel Jenni, Andres Ambuhl and Raffaele Sannitz.

So, with Niederreiter's apparent bust, and with this history, anyone have any explanation on what's up here, or is there just some strange NHL curse against Swiss forwards? And, perhaps more importantly, is there anything that suggest that Sven Bartschi won't bust when compared to these guys?

Didn't Riesen get mixed up with concussions?

Niederreiter isn't a bust, he was overhyped because he was on an "obscure" nation as far as the WJCs go and everyone thought he was a diamond in the rough, but really, he was a quarter in a puddle. He's certainly not a bust though. He played on the fourth line of a bad team, instead of the first line of a decent team...potential isn't a number that every player has programmed into them, development plays a role.

Cunti didn't want it, he had no determination and wasn't really into the athletics of the whole thing (did 1 rep at 150 pounds at the combine).

Bartschi had Koltsov potential? Well, if that's the case, then you've explained it all. Koltsov was just fast, he had no hands, he was just really, really fast. If Bartschi just had Koltsov potential, than he rightfully never played in the NHL.


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