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TheJuxtaposer 01-23-2013 02:02 PM

Clowe, Murray, and Greiss at the deadline
 
The Sharks are in desperate need of a better-fitting second line winger, and these are guys who are available in a package.

Murray is a bottom-pairing defensive defenseman who is one of the best hitters in the league. Caveat is that he's quite slow.

Clowe is a great 2nd liner, helluva boards player, strong playmaker, and loves to rough it up, but he's just not a great fit on the Sharks. He's a below average skater, and we could better utilize a shooter.

Greiss is an above average back-up, who's cheap, relatively young, and still has starter potential IMHO.

Issue is all will be UFA this summer.

Any ideas?

oilersfan11 01-23-2013 02:07 PM

The Oilers would express a ton of interest in Clowe.What would San Jose want from Edmonton?

Kitten Mittons 01-23-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 58166043)
Any ideas?

Luongo, obviously.

Analyzer* 01-23-2013 02:12 PM

Later in the season if Eller is still in the dog house, gotta propose the usual

To San Jose:
Lars Eller
2nd round pick 2013
Yannick Weber (if not dealt, you can deal him for a pick)

To Montreal:
Ryane Clowe
Douglas Murray
Conditional pick based on 1, or neither of them re-signing.

Right now, though Murray would be tops for what the habs need.

Cogburn 01-23-2013 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitten Mittons (Post 58166297)
Luongo, obviously.

Totally read my mind.

Love the "Arch of Darkness" profile pic by the way.

Seriously though, if the Canucks are in a position to win it this season, Clowe would be on our radar. 1st and a prospect? Our usual offer of Raymond+ is on hold until we can see how the Schroeder-Raymond line does tonight.

TheJuxtaposer 01-23-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 58166473)
Later in the season if Eller is still in the dog house, gotta propose the usual

To San Jose:
Lars Eller
2nd round pick 2013
Yannick Weber (if not dealt, you can deal him for a pick)

To Montreal:
Ryane Clowe
Douglas Murray
Conditional pick based on 1, or neither of them re-signing.

Right now, though Murray would be tops for what the habs need.

Depends on how high the conditional pick is. We don't need Weber, so we could certainly deal him for a mid-rounder. If the conditional pick isn't our first, then I'd pull the trigger on that one.

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Originally Posted by Cogburn (Post 58166519)
Totally read my mind.

Love the "Arch of Darkness" profile pic by the way.

Seriously though, if the Canucks are in a position to win it this season, Clowe would be on our radar. 1st and a prospect? Our usual offer of Raymond+ is on hold until we can see how the Schroeder-Raymond line does tonight.

Depends on the prospect. Canucks only have like two guys I'm interested in, and I'm fairly certain Canucks fans are too high on them to trade them for Clowe.

magic school bus 01-23-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 58166473)
Later in the season if Eller is still in the dog house, gotta propose the usual

To San Jose:
Lars Eller
2nd round pick 2013
Yannick Weber (if not dealt, you can deal him for a pick)

To Montreal:
Ryane Clowe
Douglas Murray
Conditional pick based on 1, or neither of them re-signing.

Right now, though Murray would be tops for what the habs need.

Not really seeing how Lars Eller is a better fit for our top-6 than Clowe is.

TheJuxtaposer 01-23-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by magic school bus (Post 58167155)
Not really seeing how Lars Eller is a better fit for our top-6 than Clowe is.

Fair point. I knee-jerk approved because Eller for Clowe is always something we're discussing and I like Eller a lot.

Cogburn 01-23-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 58166841)
Depends on how high the conditional pick is. We don't need Weber, so we could certainly deal him for a mid-rounder. If the conditional pick isn't our first, then I'd pull the trigger on that one.



Depends on the prospect. Canucks only have like two guys I'm interested in, and I'm fairly certain Canucks fans are too high on them to trade them for Clowe.

Jensen, Gaunce, Corrado and Schroeder are pretty well out the window, and I don't think you have a use for Lack or Cannata. Shall I presume it was two of them?

StarsFan74 01-23-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 58166841)
Depends on how high the conditional pick is. We don't need Weber, so we could certainly deal him for a mid-rounder. If the conditional pick isn't our first, then I'd pull the trigger on that one.

What are you looking for besides a 2nd line winger for a Clowe+Murray package? It seems in all likelihood that you won't be able to afford keeping Clowe and Murray with Demers and Greiss up for RFA (Pavelski and Couture up for UFA and RFA the season after that) and only $10m+ left in cap-space with only 13 players signed.

TheJuxtaposer 01-23-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogburn (Post 58167529)
Jensen, Gaunce, Corrado and Schroeder are pretty well out the window, and I don't think you have a use for Lack or Cannata. Shall I presume it was two of them?

Well, I was counting Kassian as a prospect. :P No real interest (when it comes to trading Clowe) in any other Canucks prospects.

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Originally Posted by StarsFan74 (Post 58167815)
What are you looking for besides a 2nd line winger for a Clowe+Murray package? It seems in all likelihood that you won't be able to afford keeping Clowe and Murray with Demers and Greiss up for RFA (Pavelski and Couture up for UFA and RFA the season after that) and only $10m+ left in cap-space with only 13 players signed.

The Sharks are trying to re-sign Clowe. I'm 100% sure Murray will be let go. Handzus will be let go, that frees up a good amount to re-sign Clowe. Demers probably won't earn much of a raise since he's injured and it's a short season. Greiss will probably be traded or let go as Stalock is ready for back-up duties.

As for Couture and Pavelski, Marleau and Thornton and Boyle are also up that season and the decrease in salary they'll take (and the possible retirement of Boyle, who knows) will more than make up for the raise due to Pavelski and Couture.

We just need a speedy 2nd line winger or an above-average #3C if Gomez doesn't work out. Those are our needs, and we shouldn't be wasting an asset like Clowe on anything else.

Gabotrick 01-23-2013 02:53 PM

Just from a value stand point would something like Hagelin for Clowe work.... Not sure who is worth more.... Not saying I want to trade Hagelin just want to know value wise....

hockeyball 01-23-2013 02:57 PM

I would also be willing to give up any pick for the right player (even the 1st, for the right player) any prospect not named Hertl, and even Niemi if the deal is right.

Clowe + Murray + 1st should return a very good young player.

TheJuxtaposer 01-23-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabotrick (Post 58168675)
Just from a value stand point would something like Hagelin for Clowe work.... Not sure who is worth more.... Not saying I want to trade Hagelin just want to know value wise....

I might do it, but I'm hesitant. Hagelin is a really nice and useful player, but I just don't know if he has top-6 offensive talent.

With that said, he'd be a great fit, so I'd probably pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 58168903)
I would also be willing to give up any pick for the right player (even the 1st, for the right player) any prospect not named Hertl, and even Niemi if the deal is right.

Clowe + Murray + 1st should return a very good young player.

If we're including a first in this draft, it'd better be a really good young player.

StarsFan74 01-23-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 58168089)
The Sharks are trying to re-sign Clowe. I'm 100% sure Murray will be let go. Handzus will be let go, that frees up a good amount to re-sign Clowe. Demers probably won't earn much of a raise since he's injured and it's a short season. Greiss will probably be traded or let go as Stalock is ready for back-up duties.

As for Couture and Pavelski, Marleau and Thornton and Boyle are also up that season and the decrease in salary they'll take (and the possible retirement of Boyle, who knows) will more than make up for the raise due to Pavelski and Couture.

I was talking about the $10m left with only Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Havlat, Burish, Wingels, Boyle, Stuart, Burns, Vlasic, Braun, and Niemi signed. If you're bringing back Clowe and assuming a $4m cap-hit is what he gets, then you have $6m left to sign 9 players to fill out a 23 man roster.

Looks to me like you may have to do some wheeling and dealing to clear space.

MonsterSurge 01-23-2013 03:18 PM

Pens could use Clowe...

Hatrick Marleau 01-23-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterSurge (Post 58169977)
Pens could use Clowe...

Are they willing to give back a top 6 forward?

TheJuxtaposer 01-23-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarsFan74 (Post 58169431)
I was talking about the $10m left with only Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Havlat, Burish, Wingels, Boyle, Stuart, Burns, Vlasic, Braun, and Niemi signed. If you're bringing back Clowe and assuming a $4m cap-hit is what he gets, then you have $6m left to sign 9 players to fill out a 23 man roster.

Looks to me like you may have to do some wheeling and dealing to clear space.

If you look at that 9 players, they are: A #3C (Sheppard or Hertl?), re-signing Demers, a #7 defenseman, re-signing Galiardi, a back-up goaltender, and a fourth line/13th forward. I think it's doable. Besides, the Sharks have shown that they're fully open to running a 20-man roster and using the Worcester shuttle for injuries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatrick Marleau (Post 58170031)
Are they willing to give back a top 6 forward?

Apparently they're generous enough to give up Tyler Kennedy, who is a top-6 forward. :rolleyes:

Hatrick Marleau 01-23-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 58170169)
If you look at that 9 players, they are: A #3C (Sheppard or Hertl?), re-signing Demers, a #7 defenseman, re-signing Galiardi, a back-up goaltender, and a fourth line/13th forward. I think it's doable. Besides, the Sharks have shown that they're fully open to running a 20-man roster and using the Worcester shuttle for injuries.



Apparently they're generous enough to give up Tyler Kennedy, who is a top-6 forward. :rolleyes:

I know...where do I sign?:sarcasm:

Rangers Fail 01-23-2013 03:27 PM

Douglas Murray would be a great fit for the Rangers. Can he play the right side?

We need to get Bickel off of the every day roster.

Hatrick Marleau 01-23-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henriks Broadway Hat (Post 58170449)
Douglas Murray would be a great fit for the Rangers. Can he play the right side?

We need to get Bickel off of the every day roster.

He plays LD. You probably wouldn't want him on the right side.

Winroba 01-23-2013 03:39 PM

Something around Raymond for Murray and a pick? Or potentially Raymond and a pick for Clowe?

DuckEatinShark 01-23-2013 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeyball (Post 58168903)
I would also be willing to give up any pick for the right player (even the 1st, for the right player) any prospect not named Hertl, and even Niemi if the deal is right.

Clowe + Murray + 1st should return a very good young player.

I'm not sure there are any teams willing to deal a young 1st/2nd liner that would warrant that package. Both of those players are pending UFA, and only contenders have any use for those players but they certainly wouldn't deal away young 1st/2nd liners.

I think the only way we can trade them is separately and at best they'll replenish our depth on forwards/defensemen. Most likely though, I think Wilson will just hold onto them.

SLAPSHOT723 01-23-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic school bus (Post 58167155)
Not really seeing how Lars Eller is a better fit for our top-6 than Clowe is.

He'd be a great 3rd line center long term for the Sharks. Thornton-Pavelski/Couture/Marleau (I don't know who is actually playing center in SJ)-Eller is solid down the middle.

DuckEatinShark 01-23-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winroba (Post 58171133)
Something around Raymond for Murray and a pick? Or potentially Raymond and a pick for Clowe?

We'd probably offer Murray and a 3rd, at best. No interest in Raymond+ for Clowe, unless the pick is a 1st. I don't see Raymond as a 2nd liner.


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