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Cory Trevor 01-25-2013 12:52 AM

Bos-wpg
 
Lucic
2013 2nd rounder

for

Evander Kane

Just wanted to see the value you guys thought. Thanks.

HanSolo 01-25-2013 01:10 AM

Nnnnnnope. It's not that far apart but it's still a loss for Winnipeg.

Mr Misty 01-25-2013 01:10 AM

Kane is worth more because he is younger and scores more goals.

Cory Trevor 01-25-2013 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Misty (Post 58296869)
Kane is worth more because he is younger and scores more goals.

Goal totals are identical over the past three seasons. The age is the equaliser. What Evander Kane lacks is the physicality that Milan Lucic possesses

Mr Misty 01-25-2013 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory Trevor (Post 58297045)
Goal totals are identical over the past three seasons. The age is the equaliser. What Evander Kane lacks is the physicality that Milan Lucic possesses

Look at the quality of the teams around them. The goalscoring prime of players is fairly young, so you would expect Kane to have more years of his peak ahead than Lucic. Lucic brings a ton to the table, but Kane is worth more.

Juxtaposer 01-25-2013 01:29 AM

I would probably decline if I'm Winnipeg. Kane is younger, cheaper, more upside, etc.

Brentwood1 01-25-2013 01:41 AM

Opinion of this blues fan, I'd much rather have Lucic than Kane

Inflict 01-25-2013 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory Trevor (Post 58297045)
Goal totals are identical over the past three seasons. The age is the equaliser. What Evander Kane lacks is the physicality that Milan Lucic possesses

I don't think Kane lacks physicality at all compared to Lucic. Kane had 173 hits last year while Lucic had 201. Very close considering Lucic played 8 more games.

Value wise, Boston would need to add a prospect or a 1st round pick to even the value, but the Jets would probably ask for an overpayment. Either way, there is no deal to be had here. Winnipeg would not trade away Kane.

Flair Hay 01-25-2013 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inflict (Post 58297625)
I don't think Kane lacks physicality at all compared to Lucic. Kane had 173 hits last year while Lucic had 201. Very close considering Lucic played 8 more games.

Value wise, Boston would need to add a prospect or a 1st round pick to even the value, but the Jets would probably ask for an overpayment. Either way, there is no deal to be had here. Winnipeg would not trade away Kane.

Yeah no way that a first rounder gets included how about both teams just keep their players

Cory Trevor 01-25-2013 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inflict (Post 58297625)
I don't think Kane lacks physicality at all compared to Lucic. Kane had 173 hits last year while Lucic had 201. Very close considering Lucic played 8 more games.

Value wise, Boston would need to add a prospect or a 1st round pick to even the value, but the Jets would probably ask for an overpayment. Either way, there is no deal to be had here. Winnipeg would not trade away Kane.

There's no way Evander Kane is worth Lucic and a first. And it's not the point the amount of hits, it's the fact that there are many players that fear him on the ice. I don't see Evander Kane doing that.

Cory Trevor 01-25-2013 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhay1987 (Post 58297773)
how about both teams just keep their players

We are just trying to gauge an estimated value of players and getting the opinions of others about our respective lineups. what's wrong with that?

StringerBell 01-25-2013 01:59 AM

I'd value Kane more. He's already better offensively and his upside far outweighs Lucic. Looch has the intimidation factor going for him, but it's not enough to swing the balance in his favour.

Inflict 01-25-2013 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory Trevor (Post 58297817)
There's no way Evander Kane is worth Lucic and a first. And it's not the point the amount of hits, it's the fact that there are many players that fear him on the ice. I don't see Evander Kane doing that.

Matt Cooke says hello. Not many people will drop the gloves with Evander.

And yes, a 1st round pick is the bridge gap (considering it is going to be a bottom 10 pick). Kane is younger, has a better contract, and has the potential to be an elite scorer in the league. Lucic is a proven consistent Power Forward, but does not have elite offensive skills or the speed of Kane. Just because Lucic is more of a goon than him doesn't mean it outweighs Kane's upside.

Cory Trevor 01-25-2013 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inflict (Post 58297975)
Matt Cooke says hello. Not many people will drop the gloves with Evander.

And yes, a 1st round pick is the bridge gap. Kane is younger, has a better contract, and has the potential to be an elite scorer in the league. Lucic is a proven consistent Power Forward, but does not have elite offensive skills or the speed of Kane. Just because Lucic is more of a goon than Kane, that doesn't mean he is more valuable.

Fighting is not what I meant. They both drop the gloves, I'm talking about being a physical force out there. But I get ya Alright time for an edit.

A first is just way too much though...

Flair Hay 01-25-2013 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory Trevor (Post 58297831)
We are just trying to gauge an estimated value of players and getting the opinions of others about our respective lineups. what's wrong with that?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I said "how about they each keep their players" which I thought implied they are very similar in value, no?...

Or something like that.

Cory Trevor 01-25-2013 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhay1987 (Post 58298027)
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I said "how about they each keep their players" which I thought implied they are very similar in value, no?...

Or something like that.

ahhh, I got ya. Sorry. Running on fumes here watching NHL Tonight over and over again..

Inflict 01-25-2013 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory Trevor (Post 58298017)
Fighting is not what I meant. They both drop the gloves, I'm talking about being a physical force out there. But I get ya Alright time for an edit.

A first is just way too much though...

Well, Lucic does have a size advantage so I guess I can see where you are coming from. I just think personally, not to dismiss Lucic's skills, that Kane has a better toolbox than Lucic.

A 1st round pick would be too high if it was in the top 10-15, but considering Boston is a Stanely Cup contender, Boston's 1st round pick has significantly less value.

nmbr_24 01-25-2013 04:05 AM

Boston wouldn't do this regardless of percieved value to other people, Lucic means more to the team than Kane would. If there were a lot of players in the league like Lucic and he could be replaced easily it might be different but it isn't that way.

IceCapsFanNL 01-25-2013 04:29 AM

As a Jets fan, I'd be all over this

8BostonRocker24 01-25-2013 06:14 AM

Lucic > Kane

Why is Boston adding the 2nd?

Huffer 01-25-2013 08:22 AM

Like Lucic, but I think both teams keep their guys.

Oates2Neely 01-25-2013 08:30 AM

This is akin to trading Gretzky for Lemieux,, Yzerman for Sakic,, Bourque for Robinson,, etc..

Lucic and Kane are similar players. Jets fans will some here and decline, Bruins fans will come here and decline.

Ask yourself this OP, WHY would either team make this trade? Similar style players who make similar coin, who play the same position.. ??

TOGuy14 01-25-2013 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory Trevor (Post 58296267)
Lucic
2013 2nd rounder

for

Evander Kane

Just wanted to see the value you guys thought. Thanks.

I think WPG would much rather do

Kane
2013 2nd Rounder

for

Seguin

TOGuy14 01-25-2013 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8BostonRocker24 (Post 58300263)
Lucic > Kane

Why is Boston adding the 2nd?

I think Lucic is the better player, Kane has the higher value (in a trade)

PlayMakers 01-25-2013 08:54 AM

I like Kane, but there's nobody in the NHL like Lucic. He's not going anywhere.


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