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Langway 01-25-2013 03:03 PM

Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XVII
 
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I Am Score* 01-25-2013 03:06 PM

I'd obviously rather take MacKinnon over Drouin but I don't see how it's starting over

breakawaygoal 01-25-2013 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58324301)
I'd obviously rather take MacKinnon over Drouin but I don't see how it's starting over

NHL today is based around having center depth. We've been searching for a 2C to play behind Backstrom pretty much since we drafted him... if we somehow ended in a top-5 pick position I'd hope and pray the team takes a center, especially in a draft with so many elite ones to pick from... another LW solves nothing.

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakawaygoal (Post 58324739)
NHL today is based around having center depth. We've been searching for a 2C to play behind Backstrom pretty much since we drafted him... if we somehow ended in a top-5 pick position I'd hope and pray the team takes a center, especially in a draft with so many elite ones to pick from... another LW solves nothing.

True but what if MacKinnon is taken? What do you do?

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov
Forsberg, Ribeiro, Drouin
Brouwer, Johansson, Laich/Wolski
Wilson, Beagle, Hendricks

Isn't too bad.

Carlzner 01-25-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58324913)
True but what if MacKinnon is taken? What do you do?

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov
Forsberg, Ribeiro, Drouin
Brouwer, Johansson, Laich/Wolski
Wilson, Beagle, Hendricks

Isn't too bad.

Barkov... Lindholm... Monahan

breakawaygoal 01-25-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58324913)
True but what if MacKinnon is taken? What do you do?

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kuznetsov
Forsberg, Ribeiro, Drouin
Brouwer, Johansson, Laich/Wolski
Wilson, Beagle, Hendricks

Isn't too bad.

As good as MacKinnon is we don't need a 1C, so I'd be more than happy with Barkov or Lindholm. I'd trade Ribeiro at the deadline, for another 1st round pick perhaps?

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braden Carlzner (Post 58325115)
Barkov... Lindholm... Monahan

I think we could highly regret not taking Drouin or MacKinnon, that's all.

Proposal:

To Calgary

Mike Green
Marcus Johansson
1st round pick

To Washington
Jay Bouwmeester
1st round pick


Would they take it? Calgary could be in the contention for a top 3.

breakawaygoal 01-25-2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58325541)
I think we could highly regret not taking Drouin or MacKinnon, that's all.

Proposal:

To Calgary

Mike Green
Marcus Johansson
1st round pick

To Washington
Jay Bouwmeester
1st round pick


Would they take it? Calgary could be in the contention for a top 3.

I might just drop the picks and see if Calgary would take Green/MoJo for Bouwmeester. But there are other, better defensemen on better deals who I'd target first, way before Bouwmeester

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakawaygoal (Post 58325709)
I might just drop the picks and see if Calgary would take Green/MoJo for Bouwmeester. But there are other, better defensemen on better deals who I'd target first, way before Bouwmeester

Yeah I agree I just picked them because they have some pieces but most people expect them to tank.

breakawaygoal 01-25-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58325801)
Yeah I agree I just picked them because they have some pieces but most people expect them to tank.

I'd rather the Caps tank and we trade Green for someone better

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakawaygoal (Post 58325897)
I'd rather the Caps tank and we trade Green for someone better

There is a possibility the Caps tank and you trade MoJo/Green for Bouwmeester and the 1st round. I highly doubt they would do it, but that would leave us in a capable of spot of taking a quality defenseman to pair up with Bo and one of the best forwards in the draft with two 1st rounders. That all depends if a team, if Calgary or no, thinks MoJo and Green are worth it.

Other teams possibly in the mix could include Columbus and the Wild since I doubt they would want a high overall pick if they drop. They would likely want
a guy like Green or MoJo to solidify the team. Columbus likely wouldn't take Green but they would take MoJo.

Just spinning the wheels here. Knowing us though we'll probably end up with like the 8th overall pick and waste it.

Halpysback 01-25-2013 03:58 PM

Ok, let me clarify the Drouin thing. Drouin is a great pick. If Barkov, MacKinnon and Jones are off the table I'd be happy to get him, potentially over Monahan or Lindholm. However, Drouin is great pick in the sense that we would groom him and trade him for a massive return, not in the sense that he'd be a core piece for us. This is why I also wanted Teravainen - not for him to play on our team, but for us to showcase him, give him great regular season minutes, up his value and trade him for a high caliber playoff oriented player. Drouin is a skilled, softish winger who doesn't do particularly well when the checking gets tight. If we're putting together a cup or die team there's no place for him.

Of course, if we're not maniacally trying to get a cup with every single move reflecting another concrete forward step towards that goal, it doesn't really matter what we do. By all means lets trade Ovechkin for Patrick Kane, Teuvo Teravainen and all the other regular season wonders Chicago could throw our way.

Also, whoever suggested Bouwmeester... there is no gif to describe how horrible of an idea that is. Lets trade Green for the one player in the league who'd unquestionably put this team further away from being a playoff threat. And who costs more to boot.

Mystlyfe 01-25-2013 03:59 PM

We finally acquire a 2C, now everyone wants to trade him away and hope the draft provides an answer again. :facepalm:

Have you all forgotten how often draft picks don't achieve what you hope of them? Even top 10 picks. Turris, Hamill, Wilson, Bailey, and Kadri were all centers drafted in the top 10 between 2007-2009. None of those guys are better than even Johansson or Perreault, let alone Ribeiro. And guys like Brayden Schenn and Cody Hodgson still have plenty of promise, but to wait on a guy like that to develop would push us well beyond the primes of Backstrom and Ovechkin. We can't afford to wait until 2016 to compete again.

Ridiculous.

Halpysback 01-25-2013 04:00 PM

Yes because Ribeiro is gonna get us a cup, yo.

CapitalsCupFantasy 01-25-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystlyfe (Post 58327071)
We finally acquire a 2C, now everyone wants to trade him away and hope the draft provides an answer again. :facepalm:

Have you all forgotten how often draft picks don't achieve what you hope of them? Even top 10 picks. Turris, Hamill, Wilson, Bailey, and Kadri were all centers drafted in the top 10 between 2007-2009. None of those guys are better than even Johansson or Perreault, let alone Ribeiro. And guys like Brayden Schenn and Cody Hodgson still have plenty of promise, but to wait on a guy like that to develop would push us well beyond the primes of Backstrom and Ovechkin. We can't afford to wait until 2016 to compete again.

Ridiculous.

Exactly...the notion of trading for draft picks that might help us in 5 years is absurd. You do that when you're forced to do it only...we're not there.

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystlyfe (Post 58327071)
We finally acquire a 2C, now everyone wants to trade him away and hope the draft provides an answer again. :facepalm:

Have you all forgotten how often draft picks don't achieve what you hope of them? Even top 10 picks. Turris, Hamill, Wilson, Bailey, and Kadri were all centers drafted in the top 10 between 2007-2009. None of those guys are better than even Johansson or Perreault, let alone Ribeiro. And guys like Brayden Schenn and Cody Hodgson still have plenty of promise, but to wait on a guy like that to develop would push us well beyond the primes of Backstrom and Ovechkin. We can't afford to wait until 2016 to compete again.

Ridiculous.

I'm confused as to what 2C you are talking about. Ribeiro? No one here is talking about trading him away. As far as I can see.

If you do want to move Green. MacKinnon/Drouin likely is going top three. We'll likely have a pick outside of the top 3 even if we completely tank this season. I'm confused as to what you people want, it's either you believe Ribs/Backstrom is 1/2 or not. The defense is a different question, no one here is expecting to get Seth Jones. If you shop Green, it's for a mid-aged D and a 1st round. I would only shop Green if it's to a team like Calgary/Columbus/Colorado/etc. to get the high draft pick.

Do you guys want a wing? A center?

If you're looking wing, the options are Drouin, Nichushkin, Shinkaruk, Burakovsky, etc.

I'm not in favor of Barkov unless you feel like waiting two years for him to get here. The thought of drafting another Russian in Nichushkin, who God knows when he'll be here, also makes me want to throw up in my mouth. Plus if you don't want another Center that kind of messes up the entire plan here. If you want another Center just go big and grab MacKinnon and trade up if we tank.

In fact this draft for us kind of makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapitalsCupFantasy (Post 58327561)
Exactly...the notion of trading for draft picks that might help us in 5 years is absurd. You do that when you're forced to do it only...we're not there.

Only trade for a draft pick if you can get it high in my mind. No room for another 17 year old who is going to not show up for 2 years and not make an impact for 3/4.

Dr John Carlson 01-25-2013 04:13 PM

Barkov is Finnish.

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr John Carlson (Post 58327779)
Barkov is Finnish.

Sorry I had my mind on Nichushkin and not drafting another Russian. He would be here sooner than Barkov I believe. I meant that Nichushkin would still take awhile and i'm not in favor of snagging another Russian at this point. Barkov is Finnish but he would probably take longer than Nichushkin.

But I really don't like either option to be honest.

Halpysback 01-25-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58327673)
I'm confused as to what 2C you are talking about. Ribeiro? No one here is talking about trading him away. As far as I can see.

If you do want to move Green. MacKinnon/Drouin likely is going top three. We'll likely have a pick outside of the top 3 even if we completely tank this season. I'm confused as to what you people want, it's either you believe Ribs/Backstrom is 1/2 or not. The defense is a different question, no one here is expecting to get Seth Jones. If you shop Green, it's for a mid-aged D and a 1st round. I would only shop Green if it's to a team like Calgary/Columbus/Colorado/etc.

Do you guys want a wing? A center?

If you're looking wing, the options are Drouin, Nichushkin, Shinkaruk, Burakovsky, etc.

I'm not in favor of Barkov unless you feel like waiting two years for him to get here. The thought of drafting another Russian in Nichushkin who God knows when he'll be here also makes me want to throw up in my mouth. Plus if you don't want another Center that kind of messes up the entire plan here. If you want another Center just go big and grab MacKinnon and trade up if we tank.

In fact this draft for us kind of makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

We look just like New Jersey during their tank year and they had one of the best 2nd half runs in recent history to get out of the bottom 5. Top 3 is very doable, especially if we start selling.

Also, picks are currency that can be used to trade for established secondary players that fit a role. More picks = better.

I Am Score* 01-25-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halpysback (Post 58328035)
We look just like New Jersey during their tank year and they had one of the best 2nd half runs in recent history to get out of the bottom 5. Top 3 is very doable, especially if we start selling.

Also, picks are currency that can be used to trade for established secondary players that fit a role. More picks = better.

I know but I would hate to have a later 1st round draft pick knowing the effects if we don't deal it.

I don't think those guys are bad players, not at all, you could fall with a guy like Giroux at any random notice.

I just think if the Caps really "tank" you might as well "tank" a little more and deal a player to move up if you don't like anyone there.

Halpysback 01-25-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58328211)
I know but I would hate to have a later 1st round draft pick knowing the effects if we don't deal it.

I don't think those guys are bad players, not at all, you could fall with a guy like Giroux at any random notice.

I just think if the Caps really "tank" you might as well "tank" a little more and deal a player to move up if you don't like anyone there.

The way drafts go now most GMs are dying for any 1st round picks when at the table.

Ultimately, we can fall back on FA. It's a huge class and we'd have a ton of cap space. Perry, Clowe, Kostitsyn, Ryder, Weiss, Horton, Penner, Roy, Zubrus, Weiss, Higgins/Jones/Cleary/Dupuis/NystromTorres/Clarkson/Antro/Poni/Richardson/Morrow for 3rd line depth. On defense Timonen, Scuderi, Streit, Smid, Regehr, Whitney, Lydman, Roszival, Ference, your favorite Leopold and Murray/Fistric for bottom pairing grit specialists. Backstrom, Nabokov, Howard, Smith as veterans on goal.

Carlzner 01-25-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradD (Post 58327889)
Sorry I had my mind on Nichushkin and not drafting another Russian. He would be here sooner than Barkov I believe. I meant that Nichushkin would still take awhile and i'm not in favor of snagging another Russian at this point. Barkov is Finnish but he would probably take longer than Nichushkin.

But I really don't like either option to be honest.

Based on what...? He's lighting up the SM-Liiga right now..

txpd 01-25-2013 04:40 PM

i'd rather have mike green than jay bouwmeester anyday. green was good in the playoffs last season. it looks like his legs are back to normal this season.

the main complaint of green is his playoff performance. bouwmeester has never played in a single playoff game.

Halpysback 01-25-2013 04:49 PM

The problem with Bouwmeester isn't his lack of playoff games, it's his demeanor. Kulemin or Smid haven't played a single playoff game either (maybe Smid has but I don't remember/doesn't matter) and I'd gladly take both of them.

If Bouwmeester in the playoffs is anything like Bouwmeester in the regular season all he'd be is a folding chair for Scott Hartnell or Milan Lucic.


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