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Killerlnstinct 01-26-2013 12:34 AM

Time to part ways with Okposo?
 
I think he needs a change of scenery and considering Strome and Nino will be here sooner then later i just feel maybe in his and our best interests to find a way to move him. He plays very soft and just looks lost most of the time. I hate giving up on a guy this early but i just see it never happening here for him..Thoughts?

Hipster Doofus 01-26-2013 12:48 AM

Easiest way to tell whose watching games and whose just watching hits and boxscores is an opinion on Okposo.

He setup two goals last game by using his body to separate the puck from the opponent and let his teammate get the loose puck.

redbull 01-26-2013 12:51 AM

Okposo scored more goals last year than Aucoin, mcDonald, Ullstrom, Cizikas, Martin have their whole career, combined.

Let's not pretend the NYI are a team that can afford to lose proven NHL players.

Sure, he's not Iginla, but he's not Pandolfo or Reasoner or Rolston either

original islander 01-26-2013 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by redbull (Post 58368571)
Okposo scored more goals last year than Aucoin, mcDonald, Ullstrom, Cizikas, Martin have their whole career, combined.

Let's not pretend the NYI are a team that can afford to lose proven NHL players.

Sure, he's not Iginla, but he's not Pandolfo or Reasoner or Rolston either

We can't afford to lose Kyle any more than we could afford to lose PA. You lose your worst players, people like Reasoner, Boulton and last year Pandolfo.

If guys can't play on the first line you put them on the 2nd or 3rd or even 4th line. We lost PA and Blake Comeau and got nothing in return. I'm sure our team would be better with them than Boulton and Reasoner.

If we can get a better player than KO for him, then go ahead and move him, otherwise move him down to another line.

However, Kyle's situation in some way mirrors Lars Eller in Montreal, at some point you have to take the next step or you stagnate or regress. It's time for Kyle to get a mean streak. He and Bailey need to have a sense of urgency if that want to achieve their potential.

petrocelli 01-26-2013 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MattMartin (Post 58367979)
I think he needs a change of scenery and considering Strome and Nino will be here sooner then later i just feel maybe in his and our best interests to find a way to move him. He plays very soft and just looks lost most of the time. I hate giving up on a guy this early but i just see it never happening here for him..Thoughts?

Can I please see this line at least for 20 games before you get rid of Okposo, and perhaps Bailey as well.... Just 20 games and then you can have your way with them.. Promise! :naughty:


Bailey - Tavares - Okposo

desmond 01-26-2013 05:00 AM

No. He is big part of our future.

CREW99AW 01-26-2013 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MattMartin (Post 58367979)
I think he needs a change of scenery and considering Strome and Nino will be here sooner then later i just feel maybe in his and our best interests to find a way to move him. He plays very soft and just looks lost most of the time. I hate giving up on a guy this early but i just see it never happening here for him..Thoughts?


I guess we are watching different games because I've haven't seen the soft play.

How about we let Nino + Strome make the nhl, collect their ROY awards, then start clearing out the roster:laugh:

CREW99AW 01-26-2013 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by original islander (Post 58369293)

However, Kyle's situation in some way mirrors Lars Eller in Montreal, at some point you have to take the next step or you stagnate or regress. It's time for Kyle to get a mean streak. He and Bailey need to have a sense of urgency if that want to achieve their potential.

Kyle's never gonna have a mean streak in my opinion.I'd settle for Nino's nasty, chippy plays from Kyle.

I've seen Nino make plays and thought they were borderline dirty: knee on knee, slashing.

InformTheMasses 01-26-2013 07:43 AM

Replace Okposo with Nino? You are aware they play different positions, right? You are also aware that Nino is the guy asking for a trade, right? You are aware that Kyle is the guy that wants to be here long term and signed a long term(ish) deal that works economically, right? You are aware that Okposo is one of about 4 players in the organization that is a true Right Winger and has a right handed shot, right? Also you do know that this is the Islanders, right? When did we become such a power house that we can just ship out 23 year old first round draft picks that score at 20-25 goals per year pace because they have 2 points after 4 games?

In Nino's next 200 NHL games, he is going to have to score 67 goals to catch Kyle's production at the same point in their career. Hope it happens, and I hope Kyle is still his teammate at that point.

Fantom 01-26-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MattMartin (Post 58367979)
I think he needs a change of scenery and considering Strome and Nino will be here sooner then later i just feel maybe in his and our best interests to find a way to move him. He plays very soft and just looks lost most of the time. I hate giving up on a guy this early but i just see it never happening here for him..Thoughts?

I dont think we should get rid of him yet. Yes he is not a superstar. He is not a star player either. However he is a good hockey player. He does not play a big physical game yet he is not SOFT. Kyle is far from a perfect hockey. yes he is not useless. I would keep him. He does not make much and there is no risk with playing him here.

Brunomics 01-26-2013 09:01 AM

This is such a ridiculous thread. Kyle Okposo is a really good player and he should definitely be here long term. I think though he is not a legit first line player but he's a guy who will succeed on a second line of a good team which is where he should be.

This is the same crap when people didn't care that this team got rid of Bergenheim. That guy was a perfect third line guy and if this team got good enough you would have him on an uber effective fourth line.

Just stop, just because he's not a top line talent doesn't mean he's not right for this team.

xECK29x 01-26-2013 09:18 AM

Kyle just needs new linemates, he is not a setup man or a spark plug which is needed for the first line.

Brunomics 01-26-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xECK29x (Post 58375379)
Kyle just needs new linemates, he is not a setup man or a spark plug which is needed for the first line.

He's the wrong type of player for the Tavares line. Pretty much since they have Moulson who is the gritty slot guy, Tavares that can pass or shoot and what made them click with Parenteau was his ability to move the puck. Okposo doesn't bring that type of game and unless it's something of them just needing time and I"m completely wrong I think a guy like Bailey presents the best option to be on Tavares' wing right now.

Stercrazy 01-26-2013 09:43 AM

I'm a No on getting rid of KO. He's not the worst player on the roster. I would work from the bottom up.

Poulin 0n My St1ck 01-26-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by petrocelli (Post 58370427)
Bailey - Tavares - Okposo

I'd love to see that line in the worst way. I think those three could do wonders together. I always think about what Bailey and JT could do together (on the ice, of course).

7:11 of OT 01-26-2013 10:11 AM

There is no reason to look to move KO at this point. His game is sound and he does not look lost as some have said. The one thing that I think he needs to work on is his conditioning. I am not sure what he did in the extended off-season, playing or working out, but it is clear that he gets winded more than almost any other player on the ice. That may be a combination of poor conditioning and trying to do too much on each shift, but if you look at him versus JT after each shift, KO looks like he is going to collapse while JT looks ready for his next shift.

CREW99AW 01-26-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 7:11 of OT (Post 58377205)
There is no reason to look to move KO at this point. His game is sound and he does not look lost as some have said. The one thing that I think he needs to work on is his conditioning. I am not sure what he did in the extended off-season, playing or working out, but it is clear that he gets winded more than almost any other player on the ice. That may be a combination of poor conditioning and trying to do too much on each shift, but if you look at him versus JT after each shift, KO looks like he is going to collapse while JT looks ready for his next shift.

I guess this is where I gulp down my crow:(

When Cappy announced he was going with the Moulson-Tavares-Okposo line, a poster pointed out that Tavares had been playing in Europe, while Okposo (a slow starter), had stayed home.

I'd read Okposo had workout sessions/skating sessions with other nhlers during the lockout. I told the poster we shouldn't stress, pointed out Tavares 22 pts last Jan, when he had Moulson and Okposo on his wings.

Clearly the guy's concerns have proven valid. That line looks out of sinc, like they never played together.

Trumanperro 01-26-2013 10:26 AM

Jesus, its official KO is the whipping boy this season. He played a great game and the other night he was the first to answer the bell when JT got boarded by that POS phaneuf. Leave him alone. Let him get better and become a 30+ goal scorer every year. You can't afford to lose a guy like that.

PWJunior 01-26-2013 10:28 AM

Wow, that was fast. Is it due to the shortened schedule that emotions run higher, much quicker?

Let's give KO a little more than 4 games, he's not a total scrub.

IslesBeBack* 01-26-2013 10:36 AM

KO isn't even as good as Simmonds on Philadelphia on this point.

But, he must stay because he's a high, shiny, first overall pick.

A Pointed Stick 01-26-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by original islander (Post 58369293)
We can't afford to lose Kyle any more than we could afford to lose PA. You lose your worst players, people like Reasoner, Boulton and last year Pandolfo.

If guys can't play on the first line you put them on the 2nd or 3rd or even 4th line. We lost PA and Blake Comeau and got nothing in return. I'm sure our team would be better with them than Boulton and Reasoner.

If we can get a better player than KO for him, then go ahead and move him, otherwise move him down to another line.

However, Kyle's situation in some way mirrors Lars Eller in Montreal, at some point you have to take the next step or you stagnate or regress. It's time for Kyle to get a mean streak. He and Bailey need to have a sense of urgency if that want to achieve their potential.

Agree completely with this, though I believe MM silently assumes that it would be for an upgrade, not picks, prospects, etc. I have been a proponent of moving Okposo because he is an extension of what is a big problem for this club... soft forwards with too few exceptions.

Between Grabner, Neilsen, Moulson, Bailey, and Okposo who are all below average physically, and mostly average physical players for the rest something needs to change. It won't surprise me if they move him down a line or two, then move him for an upgrade if they make any trades.

CREW99AW 01-26-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IslesBeBack (Post 58378257)
KO isn't even as good as Simmonds on Philadelphia on this point.

But, he must stay because he's a high, shiny, first overall pick.

I must have slept thru Okposo, being a first overall pick:amazed:

How about he should stay because at 24 yrs old, he's coming off a career high 24 goal season and his salary is dirt cheap this yr and next?

How about he should stay because the isles need his aggressive puck pursuit?

How about letting the top prospects actually make it to the NHL and take Okposo's spot with their NHL play, before running him out of town?

Simmonds: 326 games, 68 goals, 77 assists
Okposo : 275 games 69 goals, 94 assists

Strummergas 01-26-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xECK29x (Post 58375379)
Kyle just needs new linemates, he is not a setup man or a spark plug which is needed for the first line.

I agree, I don't believe he a first line player (at least not on this team's first line). Change his role, lower his TOI and I think he'll be a more effective player. Trouble is, I can't think of anyone on this team right now who would work on the first line with JT and Moulson. Ullstrom might, but I'd like to see him continue to play the way he has for a while longer before he gets first line duties. And besides, he's got good chemistry with Aucoin and McDonald right now, and they may not want to tamper with that.

A Pointed Stick 01-26-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58377739)
I guess this is where I gulp down my crow:(

When Cappy announced he was going with the Moulson-Tavares-Okposo line, a poster pointed out that Tavares had been playing in Europe, while Okposo (a slow starter), had stayed home.

I'd read Okposo had workout sessions/skating sessions with other nhlers during the lockout. I told the poster we shouldn't stress, pointed out Tavares 22 pts last Jan, when he had Moulson and Okposo on his wings.

Clearly the guy's concerns have proven valid. That line looks out of sinc, like they never played together.

Would it be fair to state that Tavares currently has two imperfect wings, and while his line would be fine with one, the other really needs to be a solid two way physical player? I criticize both Matt & Kyle, but if you made me choose one over the other it would be Matt all the way. Reading about Kyle's conditioning is also concerning. A guy his age shouldn't be exhibiting that much rust.

bigplay41* 01-26-2013 11:06 AM

If Okposo is available i would sure hope Chevy would call you guys up! Kids a beast


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