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noize 01-26-2013 10:37 AM

What is Stuart doing?
 
For a guy who's supposed to be a physical presence on the ice, he sure plays a prissy, passive game. Sid's 2nd goal last night was entirely on him. He doesn't attack the puck carrier to force a pass, instead he sits back and collapses onto Pavelec, swings his stick around like a buffoon, and allows the shooter to take the shot while subsequently screening our own goaltender. What is he afraid of? Stop watching puck! STEP UP ALREADY AND TAKE THE BODY. :rant:

sully1410 01-26-2013 10:37 AM

He was probably scared to give Cindy another concussion.

vBurmi 01-26-2013 10:50 AM

He probably thought Crosby would jump around him so he played him too cautiously (as a reactionary play rather than a planned effort to let him walk in front of the net). I don't disagree with you though, you have to stay on that type of player and not give them any space. All players make mistakes and I'm sure Stuart is aware of his.

On a related note I think Burmi is quickly becoming the most physical player on the team. He's finishing checks all over the ice, including against much larger players like Chara. Watching the Bruins game you could tell the two teams had different intensity levels since the Bruins all finished their checks every time while most Jets would turn away once the puck is gone.

King Woodballs 01-26-2013 10:51 AM

Stuart was doing piroettes and falling on his ass

sipowicz 01-26-2013 10:53 AM

Stuart is the 6th D man on any playoff like NHL team.

Hank Chinaski 01-26-2013 10:55 AM

I haven't noticed any drop-off in Stuart's physical play from last season. FYI, he's currently 3rd on the Jets (1st among their defensemen) with 11 hits.

Not sure that Crosby's 2nd goal really had much to do with physical play. It was a poor read by Stuart, he peeled off to take Dupuis, thinking Buff would step up and take Crosby moving cross-ice.

This thread should be titled "What is Stuart doing on the ice vs. Crosby?". He really needs to be playing soft minutes on the bottom pairing, but Bogo's injury sorta threw a wrench in that.

YWGinYYZ 01-26-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sipowicz (Post 58378935)
Stuart is the 6th D man on any playoff like NHL team.

Agree: I love Stu, but the faster Bogo gets back, the better. He plays a reasonable game as #5/6, but #4 is asking too much, just as playing a #3 is asking too much of Hainsey.

What I AM impressed with so far is how we'll they've been able to do without Bogo in the line-up - can't wait until he gets back.

vBurmi 01-26-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by King Woodballs (Post 58378873)
Stuart was doing piroettes and falling on his ass

True, he isn't the best skater. If he was on the bottom pairing as he likely should be, he probably wouldn't have even been on the ice against Crosby much when the Jets had last change.

hockey-brent 01-26-2013 11:34 AM

Being criticized for only 1 play the entire game, and to Sidney Crosby. Not bad I'd say...

Geez, cut the guy a break. He's typically their most reliable defensive defenseman.

JustGivingEr 01-26-2013 11:40 AM

So are 6th d-man couldn't stop arguably the best player in the world on one play? Kick him off the team!!

broinwhyteridge 01-26-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by King Woodballs (Post 58378873)
Stuart was doing piroettes and falling on his ass

I guess with the amount of time he spends falling down, the Jets should send him back to Barrie with Sheif. :sarcasm:

Gnova 01-26-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey-brent (Post 58380539)
Being criticized for only 1 play the entire game, and to Sidney Crosby. Not bad I'd say...

Geez, cut the guy a break. He's typically their most reliable defensive defenseman.

I like Stuart too but he is not typically the Jets most reliable defensive defenseman. #6 is.

almostawake 01-26-2013 11:59 AM

Stuart is a bottom pairing defenceman playing on the 2nd pairing, often against top line talent.

He's doing what he can but obviously he's in over his head. As any player of his skill set would be in a similar situation.

Sweech 01-26-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by vBurmi (Post 58378827)
He probably thought Crosby would jump around him so he played him too cautiously (as a reactionary play rather than a planned effort to let him walk in front of the net). I don't disagree with you though, you have to stay on that type of player and not give them any space. All players make mistakes and I'm sure Stuart is aware of his.

On a related note I think Burmi is quickly becoming the most physical player on the team. He's finishing checks all over the ice, including against much larger players like Chara. Watching the Bruins game you could tell the two teams had different intensity levels since the Bruins all finished their checks every time while most Jets would turn away once the puck is gone.

He was doing that all of last year, which is why I didn't understand the "he needs to bulk up" critiques. If no one looked up his weight stats no one would say anything.

He's had a lot of jump these last few games, always seems to do everything with enthusiasm.

King Woodballs 01-26-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by broinwhyteridge (Post 58381195)
I guess with the amount of time he spends falling down, the Jets should send him back to Barrie with Sheif. :sarcasm:

He will start getting a diving moniker if he keeps it up :sarcasm:

garret9 01-26-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey-brent (Post 58380539)
Being criticized for only 1 play the entire game, and to Sidney Crosby. Not bad I'd say...

Geez, cut the guy a break. He's typically their most reliable defensive defenseman.

I agree with all but the bolded...

Most reliable defensively speaking (give or take):

Enstrom
Bogosian

Hainsey

Stuart
Byfuglien
Postma




Clitsome

sipowicz 01-26-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 58382623)
I agree with all but the bolded...

Most reliable defensively speaking (give or take):

Enstrom
Bogosian

Hainsey

Stuart
Byfuglien
Postma




Clitsome

That's a compliment for Clitsome, pretty sure you should have just used the whole page. ;)

garret9 01-26-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sipowicz (Post 58384053)
That's a compliment for Clitsome, pretty sure you should have just used the whole page. ;)

I actually thought that maybe I hadn't used enough space but then decided I didn't want to be a total *** haha

sully1410 01-26-2013 03:18 PM

Cut the guy a break. Stuart just doesn't like to hit little girls.

EDIT: I actually like Crosby. He's one of my favourite players on opposing teams. I'm just having fun with this lol.

Prot 01-26-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sipowicz (Post 58384053)
That's a compliment for Clitsome, pretty sure you should have just used the whole page. ;)

lol. Nice. Well I still have patience for him.... but Hainsey? That guy looked like he spent all year in a boardroom in a suit and tie. What's that all about?

Jet 01-26-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Prot (Post 58391955)
lol. Nice. Well I still have patience for him.... but Hansey? That guy looked like he spent all year in a boardroom in a suite and tie. What's that all about?

Your eyes are decieving you.

You might want to look at... facts. :)

Hainsey has done exceptionally well considering he is paired with a guy who has no business being in the top 4. If you look at the stats, you see that he has been pretty formidable, considering.

As a matter of fact, this stint has reinforced to me that Hainsey is more than fine as our #4. When he gets Bogosian back, I will have no problem putting those two out against any line in the NHL. I would also have no issues with a Stuart/ Postma pair.

vBurmi 01-26-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweech (Post 58381847)
He was doing that all of last year, which is why I didn't understand the "he needs to bulk up" critiques. If no one looked up his weight stats no one would say anything.

He's had a lot of jump these last few games, always seems to do everything with enthusiasm.

Yep I remember he boarded Chara pretty good last year. I've never thought he needed to bulk up really, his skating clearly lets him get away with being smaller quite easily and he doesn't play afraid (ex. St. Louis vs Stapleton styles). He definitely needs to improve his awareness in the offensive zone though and learn to work the puck toward the net instead of always making the easy play of turning back.

gholas 01-26-2013 05:23 PM

Stuart is a key piece from one the worst D;s in the NHL last season, he's in the same form he was always in.

Not even Jets goggles can hide his skill level.

In his defense on the Cathy Lee Crosby goal, the stick swaying in the direction of oncoming forwards normally puts them in a trance and causes the said forward to shoot wide and sometimes straight over the glass, truly Incredible technique.

garret9 01-26-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 58392085)
Your eyes are decieving you.

You might want to look at... facts. :)

Hainsey has done exceptionally well considering he is paired with a guy who has no business being in the top 4. If you look at the stats, you see that he has been pretty formidable, considering.

As a matter of fact, this stint has reinforced to me that Hainsey is more than fine as our #4. When he gets Bogosian back, I will have no problem putting those two out against any line in the NHL. I would also have no issues with a Stuart/ Postma pair.

Agreed.

Hainsey is a great support guy for a 2nd pair when you have a guy like Bogosian on the other side. He's very strong positionally and good at cutting down the lanes. He's also tied with Stuart in shots blocked :sarcasm:. He can't really carry the weight, which is what he's doing now and he scares me at times. I really hope Bogosian returns soon as Bogosian has a better first pass and a much stronger puck carrier and shooter than either Hainsey or Stuart.

Stuart I actually think will compliment Postma well. They can both beat-up on weak 3rd lines and 4th lines. Honestly I've mostly been impressed with both Hainsey and Stuart in how they've handled this increased role, but they've been having trouble in pushing the play forward and are being pretty harshly out-chanced (~20:1 per 60 mins) and it's only a matter of time...

Siempreloco 01-26-2013 06:21 PM

First post.

I don't think a lot of people know the importance of Hainsey-Stuart is to this team.

http://i.imgur.com/PyBheBt.png


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