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jumptheshark 01-27-2013 05:31 AM

Are you happy with Dubnyk in net now and in the future?
 
Simple question.

Are you happy with Dubnyk in net?
Or are concerns over his play becoming more and more obvious?

harpoon 01-27-2013 06:03 AM

No chance whatsoever on the Stempniak (good thing that was the defensive stalwart 91 standing around doing nothing and not 89 or we'd still be hearing about it) or Glencross scores.

Backlund goal shouldn't have counted, but anyway Petry had a beautiful opportunity to clear the puck away and fell on his ass for no particular reason.

The Bouwmeester goal was iffy yeah, but its virtually the same shot Schultz made to beat Kiprusoff at the other end only with more traffic in front for Dubnyk than Kiprusoff was facing.

I dislike Dubnyk's game as much as the next guy, but I can't really say he was at fault tonight. That said he did have another lucky post tonight on an (Iginla?) blast that beat him clean.

To answer the question, no I'm very far from confident in Dubnyk going forward. He's always down on his knees, weak with both gloves and his lateral movement isn't great either.

MisterD 01-27-2013 07:41 AM

No, I just don't have any confidence in him.

Gord 01-27-2013 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jumptheshark (Post 58442101)
Simple question.

Are you happy with Dubnyk in net?
Or are concerns over his play becoming more and more obvious?

3.84gaa and a .884 save% overall he's been subpar, and all I hoped and wished is he'd be as good as an average starter.
not happy with his play at all.
with his solid play last year, I understood why this season is his shot to prove he's a valid #1 goalie. so far it's a fail.

CanadianHockey 01-27-2013 09:49 AM

He's a mediocre starter. I'm not sure why some believed he'd be amazing. He's playing to my expectations - it's the D in front of him that are causing his SV% to be in the .800s.

RaabHart 01-27-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadianHockey (Post 58446305)
He's a mediocre starter. I'm not sure why some believed he'd be amazing. He's playing to my expectations - it's the D in front of him that are causing his SV% to be in the .800s.

Would you trade Anderson for Dubnyk? Dubnyk isn't a starter yet, and most likely never will be IMO.

Mcnotloilersfan 01-27-2013 09:54 AM

We can say that many of the goals haven't been his fault... but a good goalie is the one who makes those gamebreaking saves to bail out his team once in a while. Dubby isn't giving his team many momentum bringing saves, and often lets in one of those momentum killing goals every game.

I keep saying that this is our last evaluation year. The last year where missed playoffs is acceptable. They need to remove whatever isn't working from this roster, by the end of this season.

frag2 01-27-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadianHockey (Post 58446305)
He's a mediocre starter. I'm not sure why some believed he'd be amazing. He's playing to my expectations - it's the D in front of him that are causing his SV% to be in the .800s.

It was similar to the year after the lockout when Markannen came back from the RSL with 1.20 GAA 31-9-9 record. So much hope and then so much fail.

To me, the goalie can "blame" how weak the D in front of him is but ultimately, it's still HIS JOB to stop the puck. Coupled with the fact Dubnyk ALWAYS lets a softie here and there, the team loses all confidence in both him and themselves.

McShogun99 01-27-2013 09:59 AM

No confidence in him whatsoever. It's guaranteed that he lets in 1 bad goal a game plus he seems incapable of making that big save to deny a sure goal.

Jimmi McJenkins 01-27-2013 10:05 AM

I believe the "group think" answer is, OH Gawd noes, noes, many bad goals, Luongo, LUONGO!!, right?

RaabHart 01-27-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins (Post 58446711)
I believe the "group think" answer is, OH Gawd noes, noes, many bad goals, Luongo, LUONGO!!, right?

LUONGO!! :handclap: We get a legitimate goalie I think we make the playoffs.

GMofOilers 01-27-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 58446807)
LUONGO!! :handclap: We get a legitimate goalie I think we make the playoffs.

Yes he would get us in the playoffs, only problem, i dont wanna be commited to him for that long, if it was a 4 year contract, in a heartbeat!

Halibut 01-27-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by harpoon (Post 58442443)
No chance whatsoever on the Stempniak (good thing that was the defensive stalwart 91 standing around doing nothing and not 89 or we'd still be hearing about it) or Glencross scores.

Backlund goal shouldn't have counted, but anyway Petry had a beautiful opportunity to clear the puck away and fell on his ass for no particular reason.

The Bouwmeester goal was iffy yeah, but its virtually the same shot Schultz made to beat Kiprusoff at the other end only with more traffic in front for Dubnyk than Kiprusoff was facing.

I dislike Dubnyk's game as much as the next guy, but I can't really say he was at fault tonight. That said he did have another lucky post tonight on an (Iginla?) blast that beat him clean.

To answer the question, no I'm very far from confident in Dubnyk going forward. He's always down on his knees, weak with both gloves and his lateral movement isn't great either.

Yeah what's up with that? I noticed it first in the Vancouver game on the Edler goal, shot from the blueline and he's already down on his knees where if he was still standing there shouldnt be any holes. Saw it a bunch more since then. Maybe it works for him but it seems off.

Jek McPorkins 01-27-2013 10:22 AM

Bring in one vet (another team's backup or third) at a time on a year-to-year basis to compete for the starter's job.

If that guy wins the job outright, pay him accordingly. Handing it to Khabby for four years was an error. Handing it to Doobie for two years was an error.

A good goalie makes his defense look good, and vice versa. I'm not sure if we have a good situation hiding underneath all the rust.

RaabHart 01-27-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GMofOilers (Post 58447085)
Yes he would get us in the playoffs, only problem, i dont wanna be commited to him for that long, if it was a 4 year contract, in a heartbeat!

With the way his deal is structured I'm not to worried about being able to move him in the 2018-19 season. Also we've seen a ton of high profile goalies play we'll into there late 30's I don't think Luongo would be an exception to this. The only risk involved is if his play goes into the toilet before we get to the 2018-19 season. Either way if he can give us 5 years where were legitimate contenders with a cup or two I think taking on the contract is worth the risk.

Gord 01-27-2013 10:35 AM

it is pretty bad when you HOPE your starting goalie makes the save instead of EXPECTING him to.
that's where we as fans (and probably the players) are with Dubnyk.

Comrade Blunderbore 01-27-2013 10:46 AM

i refuse to rate the goaltender while the defense is playing THESE grades of terribad. i'm absolutely confident that Dubie would now be considered OK goalie if he were in place of Brian Elliott.

Jimmi McJenkins 01-27-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gord (Post 58447883)
it is pretty bad when you HOPE your starting goalie makes the save instead of EXPECTING him to.
that's where we as fans (and probably the players) are with Dubnyk.

Fans? for sure, the player? Not a chance.

n7 01-27-2013 10:48 AM

He's not been great, but he's also not why we lost the two games we did.

Until we have a team that comprehends how to play defensively, he's going to get scored on a lot.

I have serious doubt with him as a legitimate #1 though. He's not a goalie you win a cup with.

Not to say he's a bad goalie; i actually really wish HF people would blame him a lot less as frankly much of the blame is misdirected.

I voted "give him one more year", but honestly, if the team in front of him plays anything like they did last night, one more year won't tell us much.

RaabHart 01-27-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Blunderbore (Post 58448333)
i refuse to rate the goaltender while the defense is playing THESE grades of terribad. i'm absolutely confident that Dubie would now be considered OK goalie if he were in place of Brian Elliott.

Everyone knows Elliott is a product of the system same with Mike Smith in Phoenix. You put Dubnyk in there he MIGHT have success but he'll still let in a softie every now and then.

Replacement 01-27-2013 10:52 AM

ftr I've never thought Dubnyk was the guy. Never been comfortable with him as number 1.
But there was a thread up just recently where such opinion was the minority view and a lot of posters suggesting that Dubnyk had turned over the corner. Where are those posters today? That was just 2 weeks ago here lol.

The amazing thing is how many of us actually think Dubs ISN'T the guy. But has anybodies opinion changed?

Dubnyk is like Bad Luongo. You know, absolutely know, that in the wrong pressure moments he will crack, his game will fall apart, and he'll look like he did against SJ. Because we've seen this often enough with him through the years. He's very much of a confidence goalie. Plays reasonably well when things are going his way but doesn't have the psyche to withstand when they're not. He gets rattled, he stops doing the things that contribute to any success. His game falls apart.

to wit against SJ:

-He's tight in the net, which basically negates his size advantage and prevents him from sealing off angle shots. He's hugging goal post and allowing guys to pick spots from an angle. They should have nothing to shoot at.

-Going down prematurely, way too early, way too often. This telegraphs for shooter to go high and also limits Dubnyks mobility. He needs to be on his feet more.

-Rebound control flies south. Easiest thing to note and that tells whether Dubs is on or not is his rebound control. When its off you know he's struggling with focus.

McArthur 01-27-2013 10:54 AM

As the defense improves defensively, dubnyk's numbers will improve as well. He's been just as inconsistent as the rest of the squad and chemistry with your blue line is critical.

CanadianHockey 01-27-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 58446433)
Would you trade Anderson for Dubnyk? Dubnyk isn't a starter yet, and most likely never will be IMO.

No, I would not trade Anderson for him. And yes, I agree that he's mostly a de facto starter rather than a legit starter. I think he could be a great backup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frag2 (Post 58446483)
It was similar to the year after the lockout when Markannen came back from the RSL with 1.20 GAA 31-9-9 record. So much hope and then so much fail.

To me, the goalie can "blame" how weak the D in front of him is but ultimately, it's still HIS JOB to stop the puck. Coupled with the fact Dubnyk ALWAYS lets a softie here and there, the team loses all confidence in both him and themselves.

The fact that he lets in softies and is inconsistent is why he's a mediocre goalie at this level. I mentioned the D being weak because I think with a competent defensive unit, Dubnyk's save percentage would be closer to ~ .910, rather than an abysmal .884.

Alex87 01-27-2013 11:00 AM

The jury is still out for me. He played well enough in the Van and LA games to give us a chance to win, and in the CGY game he was ok but a legit starter would have made an extra save to keep it closer.

That said, I'm much more concerned about our D zone lapses than I am about Dubnyk at the moment. We're taking way too many penalties and our coverage has been iffy at best.

Replacement 01-27-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex87 (Post 58448999)
The jury is still out for me. He played well enough in the Van and LA games to give us a chance to win, and in the CGY game he was ok but a legit starter would have made an extra save to keep it closer.

That said, I'm much more concerned about our D zone lapses than I am about Dubnyk at the moment. We're taking way too many penalties and our coverage has been iffy at best.

LA was up 1-0 and also hit 3 goalposts and had a goal called back on a night where they didn't play well, were not allowed to get into their 5 on 5 rhythym(due to officiating) and would otherwise have tilted the rink.

The LA game was misleading. Have to say as well I don't have a high opinion of the Nucks offense without Kesler and more of a supporting cast. Shutdown the Sedins and you beat the Canucks. We didn't even do that and won anyway. Vancouver needs more offensive depth.


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