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fedfed 01-27-2013 05:42 PM

Marcus Johansson
 
Would like to hear what you'd give for young, speedy, heady forward that struggles to find a consistent spot on the Caps top-6 and bounce all over those top lines. The deal most likely would happen at the draft, but if Ribeiro keeps his chemistry with Chimmer and Ward or Laich fits right in for one of those two, it could happen as soon as deadline.
Needs:
1. Affordable second pairing shutdown LD, not old and not a rental.
2. Second-line scoring winger, not old and not a rental.
Or: Rental forward and a non-rental D, perfect situation (if the deal happens on the deadline day).
Additional minor piece (not one of our top prospects or 1st rounder) could be added if you feel the need to even things out. Could be on of our bottom pairing d-men (Schultz, Hamrlik, Poti, Erskine, Schultz)

kongt 01-27-2013 05:59 PM

In b4 people say Luongo

but

how about Ballard + 1 tweener from nucks just sayin.

Halpysback* 01-27-2013 06:04 PM

Wonder if Colorado would be interested in Johansson + Schilling + 2 2nd rounders for O'Reilly or something like that.

If not, I'd rather play him at center on the 3rd line and wait for his value to claw back up. He can be a capable player, just not a good fit for the caps in particular.

TheJuxtaposer 01-27-2013 06:04 PM

Ryane Clowe+. Or maybe Justin Braun+. Either way, I'd be interested.

Halpysback* 01-27-2013 06:08 PM

Clowe is a UFA (that I'd love to sign but wouldn't want to give up stuff for beforehand) and Braun is a RD who isn't an upgrade over our 3 RD.

Vlasic and Pavelski are two players of interest who aren't untouchable. Don't know if a deal around any of them is feasible. Probably not.

TheJuxtaposer 01-27-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Halpysback (Post 58475957)
Clowe is a UFA (that I'd love to sign but wouldn't want to give up stuff for beforehand) and Braun is a RD who isn't an upgrade over our 3 RD.

Vlasic and Pavelski are two players of interest who aren't untouchable. Don't know if a deal around any of them is feasible. Probably not.

Braun can play LD just as well, FYI. Understandable about Clowe.

As for Vlasic and Pavelski, what on earth makes them not untouchable? We value Vlasic like you value Alzner. And nobody can say enough about Joe Pavelski.

fedfed 01-27-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halpysback (Post 58475625)
Wonder if Colorado would be interested in Johansson + Schilling + 2 2nd rounders for O'Reilly or something like that.

If not, I'd rather play him at center on the 3rd line and wait for his value to claw back up. He can be a capable player, just not a good fit for the caps in particular.

I don't think his value is down as much as we think it is because of four bad games to start the season.

fedfed 01-27-2013 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kongt (Post 58475243)
In b4 people say Luongo

but

how about Ballard + 1 tweener from nucks just sayin.

By affordable I meant much cheaper than 4.2.


Rostislav Klesla + Steve Sullivan?
Andrej Sekera + Jochen Hecht?
Johnny Oduya + Viktor Stalberg?

Halpysback* 01-27-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 58476709)
Braun can play LD just as well, FYI. Understandable about Clowe.

As for Vlasic and Pavelski, what on earth makes them not untouchable? We value Vlasic like you value Alzner. And nobody can say enough about Joe Pavelski.

I meant not in the sense Couture, Thornton or Burns are. Though we don't have any interest in Burns.

I guess Vlasic is yeah, I thought Pavelski was potentially open since he's been pretty much playing wing now and sharks could use more speed. No idea what we could offer for him that wouldn't sap our team.

We wouldn't do it if we were trying to compete, and not sure if we'd do it if we were trying to retool (though probably), but would Sharks do something like Chimera, Johansson and Brouwer for Pavelski? That's a lot of solid depth and a lot of speed.

Hivemind 01-27-2013 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fedfed (Post 58476857)
By affordable I meant much cheaper than 4.2.


Rostislav Klesla + Steve Sullivan?
Andrej Sekera + Jochen Hecht?
Johnny Oduya + Viktor Stalberg?

Klesla plays mostly the right side, unfortunately. Supposedly he can also line up on the left, but it's not where he's been used in Phoenix.

Buffalo values Sekera highly and Johansson isn't the type of center they're currently clamoring for. They'd likely be more interested in Laich and Johansson.

Would much rather target Hjalmarsson than Oduya.

capitalsrock 01-27-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystlyfe (Post 58506155)
Klesla plays mostly the right side, unfortunately. Supposedly he can also line up on the left, but it's not where he's been used in Phoenix.

Buffalo values Sekera highly and Johansson isn't the type of center they're currently clamoring for. They'd likely be more interested in Laich and Johansson.

Would much rather target Hjalmarsson than Oduya.

Hjalmarsson+Stalberg for Johansson

silentprotector 01-27-2013 11:21 PM

gunnarson plus maccaurthur of johansson and a 3rd

Missionhockey 01-27-2013 11:53 PM

Mark Fayne?

Although I would be a little hesitant. He might be the Devils second best defenseman and he's on a pretty good contract.

Halpysback* 01-27-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Missionhockey (Post 58510231)
Mark Fayne?

Although I would be a little hesitant. He might be the Devils second best defenseman and he's on a pretty good contract.

No real interest in RDs. Now maybe something around Perreault and Volchenkov :D

Halpysback* 01-27-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentprotector (Post 58509113)
gunnarson plus maccaurthur of johansson and a 3rd

What would the cost be to switch MacArthur to Kulemin.

Johansson, Galiev, 2nd for Gunnarsson, Kulemin? Could even throw in Schultz if you need someone to attempt to play D.

TheHudlinator 01-27-2013 11:59 PM

Stempniak + Butler?

Halpysback* 01-28-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 58510397)
Stempniak + Butler?

Not really sold on either. What about Glencross or Johannson+ for Giordano?

TheHudlinator 01-28-2013 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halpysback (Post 58510661)
Not really sold on either. What about Glencross or Johannson+ for Giordano?

Don't really need Johannson just love the way he plays Glencross isn't going any where with his contract he is one of the better deals in the nhl and Gio is a real solid #2 on a team that only has 3 defensive defensemen out of 7. I was more or less offering a tweener 3rd/2nd line and a tweener #4/#5 defensemen to try and met the demands. I would add in Comeau but it would really look like our spare parts :laugh:

Halpysback* 01-28-2013 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 58510743)
Don't really need Johannson just love the way he plays Glencross isn't going any where with his contract he is one of the better deals in the nhl and Gio is a real solid #2 on a team that only has 3 defensive defensemen out of 7. I was more or less offering a tweener 3rd/2nd line and a tweener #4/#5 defensemen to try and met the demands. I would add in Comeau but it would really look like our spare parts :laugh:

As much as we crap on Johansson now he wouldn't go for spare parts. Would have to be permanent answer to one of our numerous holes, or equally promising prospect. I doubt you'd want to deal Baertschi for him so that's off.

As far as smaller deals, Comeau for Perreault maybe?

fedfed 01-28-2013 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capitalsrock (Post 58506933)
Hjalmarsson+Stalberg for Johansson

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentprotector (Post 58509113)
gunnarson plus maccaurthur of johansson and a 3rd

I'd do either of these two. Fair deals.

Sergei Shirokov 01-28-2013 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fedfed (Post 58476857)
By affordable I meant much cheaper than 4.2.

To be fair, Ballard has been playing great for us (Probably our best defensmen) and would bring alot more than just a solid defensive game.

Aside from that though, there have been some interesting offers floated around here, personally I love Johansson, I just don't see what we could give up.

I think something around Chris Tanev for Mojo would be interesting as they are both good young players, but Tanev is RH which might not suit you, and I'm not sure I would like to give him up atm as he would create a bigger hole in our lineup than Johansson would fill.

An interesting idea though.

DisgruntledHawkFan 01-28-2013 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fedfed (Post 58515455)
I'd do either of these two. Fair deals.

Fair? Hardly.

johnny_rudeboy 01-28-2013 08:11 AM

Johansson + Forsberg + 1st

for

Kessel + Gunnarsson

Caps can either power up with Ovi and Kessel on Backstroms wings or they most likely seperate them and have a elite goal threat on the first 2 lines. Gunnarsson is a solid 2-way d-man who is cheap.

Leafs get rid of one of Burkes mistakes and get 2 young promising players who would fit a rebuilding team like the Leafs. And an added first seeing as Leafs is by far giving up the best player in the deal.

Hivemind 01-28-2013 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_rudeboy (Post 58517475)
Johansson + Forsberg + 1st

for

Kessel + Gunnarsson

Caps can either power up with Ovi and Kessel on Backstroms wings or they most likely seperate them and have a elite goal threat on the first 2 lines. Gunnarsson is a solid 2-way d-man who is cheap.

Leafs get rid of one of Burkes mistakes and get 2 young promising players who would fit a rebuilding team like the Leafs. And an added first seeing as Leafs is by far giving up the best player in the deal.

Caps take this and run as fast as they can.

johnny_rudeboy 01-28-2013 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystlyfe (Post 58517707)
Caps take this and run as fast as they can.

Great, then thatīs a deal. :handclap:

I have watched Johansson for many years and imo he have Zetterberg talent/potential. Forsberg will probably never be as good of a sniper as Kessel but from what I can see he is rather physical and can develop in to a 2-way first line winger with good goal scoring potential. But for a rebuilding team they will both be enjoyable to watch as they progress and they have the right character imo.


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