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#37-#93-#27* 09-22-2003 12:32 PM

re: is Dunham overrated?
 
my jaw dropped when I saw this, some people are just so damn ignorant

shmekel 09-22-2003 12:37 PM

Well, the original poster is from Nashville.

Draw your own conclusions. ;)

Melrose_Jr. 09-22-2003 12:42 PM

Overrated by who? Stating a fact, like Dunham was the best Ranger player last season, isn't exactly throwing roses at the guy's feet.

shmekel 09-22-2003 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Melrose_Jr.
Overrated by who? Stating a fact, like Dunham was the best Ranger player last season, isn't exactly throwing roses at the guy's feet.

LOL, so true.

Edge 09-22-2003 01:48 PM

perhaps scarier is that despite names like Giacomin,Vanbiesbrouck,Richter, etc. Dunham had one of the finest seasons for a goalie in Ranger history. His final numbers were very good, though it'll be interesting to see what he does with a full year here.

True Blue 09-23-2003 05:07 AM

Criticize Dunham all you (the naysayers) want, however when was the last time that a Rangers goalie posted a SV % of above .920? I don't recall the last time Richter did.
Thought to be fair, I must say that I still HATE the way that Dunham kicks out those rebound.

shmekel 09-23-2003 12:13 PM

When we first traded for him, I was a bit iffy, but the way he played with that D corps in front of him, I'm a believer.
BTW, ditto on the rebounds- though it wouldn't be a problem if the D actually positioned themselves.

Edge 09-23-2003 12:19 PM

ah the great catch 22 of the rangers.

the way they should play and the way they do play.

Fish 09-23-2003 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by True Blue
Criticize Dunham all you (the naysayers) want, however when was the last time that a Rangers goalie posted a SV % of above .920? I don't recall the last time Richter did.
Thought to be fair, I must say that I still HATE the way that Dunham kicks out those rebound.

You and me both 'Blue.

I am firmly in the Dunham camp on this one, statistically and in his play, Dunham proved to be one of the most successful Ranger goalies in the last 20-30 years...a fine accomplishment considering how bad the goaltending has been the past 3 seasons.

Fletch 10-21-2003 11:01 AM

Who's even rating Dunham?
 
nobody's saying he's a top 10, top 15 or top 5 goalie. Nobody has project that he'll win any trophies and attend the All Star game. All we've said mostly (aside from predicting an injury or two) are the facts. He's kept the Rangers in the games, save the first two (a total of three). Without him, the Rangers would be 0-5, easily. I think that's near fact, and in no way is he being rated.

Last season, down the stretch at least (last 12-14 games), he was by far the Rangers' most important player.

But you know what...who cares where he ranks among the league's finer goalies, or in the minds of other fans. All we should care about is how he's doing his job as a Ranger. And thus far this season, I don't think anybody's complaining, and thus far since becoming a Ranger, there are few complaints.

Trottier 10-21-2003 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Edge
ah the great catch 22 of the rangers.

the way they should play and the way they do play.

To quote Bill Parcells: "You are what your record says you are. It doesn't lie."

Translation: "the $%&* coach", "the @#$% system", "the @#$% trap that other teams deploy", "the salt on the pretzels at the Garden" :p ....At the end of 82 games (or more), the results are the best (and really only) indication of a team's ability, relative to the competition.

It's such a simple and true concept.

I understand the popular sentiment that the Rangers have been an underachieving bunch in recent years.

But are they, really? :dunno:

Just throwing that out.

Davisian 10-21-2003 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trottier
I understand the popular sentiment that the Rangers have been an underachieving bunch in recent years.

But are they, really? :dunno:

Just throwing that out.

They are in terms of "talent on paper" and payroll, but no, they're not in terms of "Is this team any good?" the answer to the latter has been a big fat NO for the last 6 seasons..

Fletch 10-21-2003 12:23 PM

I think davisian answered that properly..
 
the team as a whole may not be underachieving, but it's individual parts are. Doesn't make sense, does it? Well, I think if many of the players on this team were elsewhere in their approrpiate roles, they'd perform better, which is how we expect them to perform here, which they don't, or haven't. We didn't expect 13 points in 24 games from Kovalev, considering he was averaging over a point per game in the 54 games leading up to the trade. Same can be said of Carter, Holik, and others.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 10-21-2003 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trottier
"the salt on the pretzels at the Garden" :p.


Those pretzels are making me thirsty.

Fletch 10-21-2003 12:46 PM

Now that's funny...
 
Singin'. Although you should've said it louder.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 10-21-2003 12:47 PM

Those pretzels....are MAKING THE THIRSTY!

Better?

RANGER#11 10-21-2003 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shapa999
Not as much as Richter was overrated.

Richter should not be disrespected by any means in my opinion he was one heck of a goalie and not overated. Outside of the last to years when he just had to many injuries. And then the man was playing on pure heart. That said Dunham is one heck of a goalie.

Fletch 10-21-2003 03:02 PM

Thank you...
 
much better...

True Blue 10-22-2003 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RANGER#11
Richter should not be disrespected by any means in my opinion he was one heck of a goalie and not overated. Outside of the last to years when he just had to many injuries. And then the man was playing on pure heart. That said Dunham is one heck of a goalie.

You're responding to a guy who thought that Mironov's arrival meant that Leetch was expendable.

ddheyman 10-22-2003 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shapa999
Not as much as Richter was overrated.

Yep, he was an awful goaltender standing on his head and winning everything he ever was asked to or could reasonably be expected to.

Calling him a top echelon goaltender would just be vastly overrating him.

Fletch 10-22-2003 07:04 AM

I'd agree with Shapa...
 
there were several years, and series, that he was dead-on excellent. There were also periods of inconistencies. When you talk '94, World Cup, '97 playoffs, and even the recent Olympics, you talk about an elite goaltender that's top 3-5. When you factor in the rest of his career (and unfortunately that includes his injuries) you're talking about a very good goalie, not an elite goalie.

RANGER#11 10-22-2003 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch
there were several years, and series, that he was dead-on excellent. There were also periods of inconistencies. When you talk '94, World Cup, '97 playoffs, and even the recent Olympics, you talk about an elite goaltender that's top 3-5. When you factor in the rest of his career (and unfortunately that includes his injuries) you're talking about a very good goalie, not an elite goalie.

I still would not call him overated (not that you did) alot of his career I would call him very underated.

Fletch 10-22-2003 08:48 AM

I really wouldn't either, however,...
 
many fans seem to imortalize him for his Cup run, the '97 run, and the World's, which seemed to absolve him a bit from mostly average play from '98-2002. Sure there were flashes of that 'immortal' Richter, but overall, he was mostly average. I'm as big a Richter supporter there is out there, but I do recognize he was part of the team's problems.

dedalus 10-22-2003 03:40 PM

And speaking of Dunham and being over rated, where's Fuhr been? He was quick to open a thread after opening night when Dunham struggled, but I've not seen him around after the last few games.


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