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SteelFish87* 01-28-2013 12:51 PM

current Trade Value: Despres or Niskanen
 
Who currently has more trade value for the Pens, Niskanen or Despres?

12IsGreaterThan47 01-28-2013 12:52 PM

if you exclude the fact that Niskanen is likely dead, it's him.

SteelFish87* 01-28-2013 12:54 PM

i like Niskanen but think Despres is a blue-chip prospect. i would choose Despres

Captain Hook 01-28-2013 12:56 PM

Equal.

Despres has the greater upside but is totally unproven. Niskanen is currently better and more reliable at the NHL level. I think those factors even things out.

Fire Shero* 01-28-2013 01:04 PM

I think, like most pens prospects, fans wildly overrate Despres. He used to be untouchable like Malkin and Sid. Now people would likely trade him for Setoguchi. I still think Despres has a tiny bit more value, but it's a toss up. Tough call really.

Darth Vitale 01-28-2013 01:07 PM

Niskanen by a fairly wide margin because he is the more proven player (and let's not forget) pretty highly touted himself when he came into the league / before he had that really bad sophomore year in Dallas. Dallas basically gave up on him too early or didn't have the coaching to bring him back to life.

Niskanen on the top of his game, is arguably better than Goligoski. That's what's so great about that deal. It was a zero risk thing for us and it paid off huge.

12IsGreaterThan47 01-28-2013 01:12 PM

I'd like to add that while I think that Niskanen has more pure value just based on skills and age (he's not old), I remember hearing on Hot Stove on Hockey Night the other night that there's a shortage of right handed defensemen league-wide, so that's another artificial booster.

themethod7 01-28-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 58527939)
Niskanen by a fairly wide margin because he is the more proven player (and let's not forget) pretty highly touted himself when he came into the league / before he had that really bad sophomore year in Dallas. Dallas basically gave up on him too early or didn't have the coaching to bring him back to life.

sounds familiar...

gordie 01-28-2013 01:38 PM

Despres for the simple reason that one team may really believe that he has a huge upside as compared to Niskanen.

Jaded-Fan 01-28-2013 01:43 PM

I have no clue how anyone can say Despres. It is typical HF boards mentality. Prospects >>>>>> established players. Sure you hope that someday Despres exceeds what Niskanen does, but it is far from a sure thing. Niskanen can step in right now and a GM knows what he's got, and at his age he still has upside. In the real world that GM's live in Niskanen will get you more 100 times out of 100.

Ugene Malkin 01-28-2013 01:43 PM

Niskanen is a proven commodity in the NHL.

SteelFish87* 01-28-2013 02:23 PM

thanks for the input guys. i must be that typical dummy that overrates sexy prospects lol

TorstenFrings 01-28-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded-Fan (Post 58529873)
I have no clue how anyone can say Despres. It is typical HF boards mentality. Prospects >>>>>> established players. Sure you hope that someday Despres exceeds what Niskanen does, but it is far from a sure thing. Niskanen can step in right now and a GM knows what he's got, and at his age he still has upside. In the real world that GM's live in Niskanen will get you more 100 times out of 100.

It may well be more the undervaluing of Niskanen in this case than the standard overvaluing of prospects. It`s just this lingering memory of just how little all those Dallas fans, who insisted he had negative value in the deal, thought of him. The way most posters around the main board have thought about Niskanen for the last two years, Despres would have to be absolutely nothing special to be worth more. I guess what I am saying is, I doubt there is some huge overvaluing of Despres going on, but not everyone has caught up with Niskanen recovering.

domaug* 01-28-2013 02:38 PM

i only voted Despres because if Shero decides either one of them, i'd rather keep Niskanen lol

Shrimper 01-28-2013 02:43 PM

Niskanen is someone we'd miss greatly. I'd want a 1st or a top 6 player for him.

Despres is more expendable. More likely a 2nd + prospect or top 9 and 4th.

SEALBound 01-28-2013 02:54 PM

Depends.

Win now - Niskanen

Win later - Despres

Depends which team TBH...

Philly would want Nisky, SJ might want Despres...

Cardboard Orpik 01-28-2013 03:04 PM

Niskanen should have more value, but I feel like Despres' name has more cache.

Le Magnifique 66 01-28-2013 03:10 PM

Niskanen for sure

Pens1566 01-28-2013 03:26 PM

Niskanen. He was just as highly regarded (if not more so) than Despres when he was a prospect. And aside from one down year in Dallas, has actually lived up to it.

vodeni 01-28-2013 03:32 PM

with our luck Despres, cause Nisky will have a season ending injury or some similar *****

#66 01-28-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by No Wingers (Post 58527727)
I think, like most pens prospects, fans wildly overrate Despres. He used to be untouchable like Malkin and Sid. Now people would likely trade him for Setoguchi. I still think Despres has a tiny bit more value, but it's a toss up. Tough call really.

Totally agree. I'm going with him because I think teams will be fooled by his size and mobility.

Darth Vitale 01-28-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by themethod7 (Post 58529139)
sounds familiar...

You're not suggesting I'm giving up on Elmer because (in the other thread) I don't consider him to be worth "considerably more" than a 2013 1st round pick, are you? Elmer is the man; I'm excited to see him play more. I just don't think (today) he's more valuable than Niskanen is. That could easily change in six months or a year if Elmer gets back into the line up and kicks some ass.


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Originally Posted by gordie (Post 58529591)
Despres for the simple reason that one team may really believe that he has a huge upside as compared to Niskanen.

...and then again they may not. Or all 30 teams may think Niskanen is the next Letang. OR all 30 may think they both suck. Or....

themethod7 01-28-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 58537107)
You're not suggesting I'm giving up on Elmer because (in the other thread) I don't consider him to be worth "considerably more" than a 2013 1st round pick, are you? Elmer is the man; I'm excited to see him play more. I just don't think (today) he's more valuable than Niskanen is. That could easily change in six months or a year if Elmer gets back into the line up and kicks some ass.

Nah not you, but I've seen other people suggesting he'll develop into no more than a bottom pairing #5-7 D-man and we should move him now while he still has value. Crazy talk.

Darth Vitale 01-28-2013 04:29 PM

Yah I don't know why with less than 30 NHL games anyone would presume to know he tops out as a #5. Seems overly negative considering he's had some pretty nice games including during the run up to the playoffs last year, etc. That said equally crazy to assume he's likely to be a top pairing guy, under the circumstances.

MrBurghundy 01-28-2013 04:39 PM

Right now it's Niskanen AINEC.


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