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HF Article 01-28-2013 01:15 PM

2008 Draft bore little fruit for the Toronto Maple Leafs
 

With interim GM Cliff Fletcher at the helm (prior the arrival of Brian Burke) the Toronto Maple Leafs made eight selections at the 2008 NHL-Entry Draft including a coveted top-10 selection.



The mantra at the time for Fletcher was to add more size and skill to the Maple Leafs system. They did so by adding eight players who all measured in at over 6'2 feet. Fletcher swung for the fences on a few picks, and made a move to secure a top-five selection which would end up being tough-stay-at-home defender Luke Schenn.

Fletcher selected players from a mix of positions and various leagues.… read more



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pooleboy 01-28-2013 01:31 PM

This should be fun and exciting

Schenn got us jvr which imo is a signifigant piece in the long term for this team. However gardiner is looking really good for us (2008 draft) and colborne is still in our system

Hurt 01-28-2013 01:32 PM

Well we traded Pateryn along with a pick for Grabovski (I believe it was Pateryn) and Hayes turned in to Brad Ross who could be a decent player in a couple of years

416Leafer 01-28-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurt (Post 58532563)
Well we traded Pateryn along with a pick for Grabovski (I believe it was Pateryn) and Hayes turned in to Brad Ross who could be a decent player in a couple of years

Yep. So the value could turn out ok draft-wise between JVR, part of Grabovski's value, and Ross.

But in terms of who we actually drafted, it was a really weak haul, especially considering we had a 5th overall pick.

ErnieLeafs 01-28-2013 01:39 PM

Our draft was a complete failure in '08.

What we traded afterwards doesn't have an effect on how we drafted.

johnny_rudeboy 01-28-2013 01:45 PM

Well that was depressing.

Read this as well. Made me a bit happier.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...-league-level/

BertCorbeau 01-28-2013 01:53 PM

Not to mention drafting Schenn has netted us JVR ... A little early to be jumping to conclusions on this draft

416Leafer 01-28-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ErnieLeafs (Post 58532951)
Our draft was a complete failure in '08.

What we traded afterwards doesn't have an effect on how we drafted.

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Originally Posted by johnny_rudeboy (Post 58533215)
Well that was depressing.

To be fair, any review of Toronto draft history of the last 10 years is depressing...

2006 was a good draft, it arguably produced an NHLer with every pick.

But in terms of quality? Over a 10 year span, the top top players that we have picked in terms of how they've performed in the NHL are Rask (traded) and probably Steen (traded).

Over 10 years, the majority of teams would have drafted 1-2 franchise players, a couple more first line / second line players, etc. We drafted one starting goalie, and a good two-way 2nd line guy as our very best picks since ~2001/2002...

Granted, we don't know the results from 2009 onwards yet, and a guy like Rielly obviously looks pretty good.

FlareKnight 01-28-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 416Leafer (Post 58532901)
Yep. So the value could turn out ok draft-wise between JVR, part of Grabovski's value, and Ross.

But in terms of who we actually drafted, it was a really weak haul, especially considering we had a 5th overall pick.

It really depends on how you look at it. You can't really call them a weak haul if you get those guys in return for them. True enough that none of the guys we picked will directly benefit the Leafs by playing for them.

Yet, at the same time not sure an article can say the 2008 draft did nothing for us. I'd say that Gardiner is a pretty good guy to get out of that draft. We'll see what Colborne turns into as well.

I mean sure if you want to write an article about how the Leafs picks turned out it wasn't all that good. But the 2008 draft did benefit the Leafs in a few ways.

416Leafer 01-28-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight (Post 58534335)
It really depends on how you look at it. You can't really call them a weak haul if you get those guys in return for them. True enough that none of the guys we picked will directly benefit the Leafs by playing for them.

Yet, at the same time not sure an article can say the 2008 draft did nothing for us. I'd say that Gardiner is a pretty good guy to get out of that draft. We'll see what Colborne turns into as well.

Depends what you're trying to measure.

If you're trying to measure the GMs / Scouts decisions at the draft table on that day, you have to look at who they drafted that day.

If we have mostly the same scouting staff since that time, this type of method can be used to evaluate our scouting staff.

Despite not having that many top picks, we still haven't picked any true gems for 10+ years. We haven't drafted any franchise players, top line players, etc outside of the 1st round in a LONG time, probably since Kaberle. We've had some decent guys, Kulemin, Gunnarson, Frattin, Reimer, etc in the later rounds. But no real impact players.

If we get an impact player with a top 5 draft choice, i don't necessarily attribute that to good scouting either. So if Rielly turns out to be a great player, I don't think the scouting staff deserve a ton of credit compared to if they unearthed that type of player with a 2nd round or later pick.

Eyedea 01-28-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 416Leafer (Post 58534181)
Over 10 years, the majority of teams would have drafted 1-2 franchise players, a couple more first line / second line players, etc. We drafted one starting goalie, and a good two-way 2nd line guy as our very best picks since ~2001/2002...

Yeah those days during the near end of Muskoka Five gave us not only a mediocre team, but mediocre prospects.

If only we iced Rico Fata's and Kyle Calder's so we could actually get elite players through the draft.

Spazmatic Dan 01-28-2013 02:36 PM

And 2008 was .. what did Pierre McGuire call it? "Let the rebuild begin because now its coming to Toronto!".


Yeah, that didn't quite work out the way we hoped.

5 years later and we're actually in a worse place in the standings (last year). Better young players no question, but quite a ways to go yet.

Here's hoping!

Brewsky 01-28-2013 02:38 PM

How do you suck for 10 years and have nothing to show for it.

Asset management 101.

Like...the ****...too depressing man!

deuce457 01-28-2013 02:46 PM

anyone drafted lower than the 3rd round and doesnt make it, should not be called a 'Bust', like they are being portrayed in the article.

If someone had the time to go back through numerous drafts and count the number of 4th - 7th round picks that actually make the NHL, its probably somewhere around 5% of the players if not less.

Woodman19 01-28-2013 03:00 PM

Is it really that shocking? If the Leafs had good drafts they would not be in the position they are in now.

The Mentalist 01-28-2013 03:22 PM

Leafs did better than the Redwings in 08, however, Fletch moving up to get Schenn was a bad move. Blew a pick there.

ErnieLeafs 01-28-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 58538873)
Leafs did better than the Redwings in 08, however, Fletch moving up to get Schenn was a bad move. Blew a pick there.

Really?

Nyquist is just about to make his step into the NHL, so the jury is still out, and Thomas McCollum is a developing goalie.

It won't be hard for Nyquist to surpass Schenn in his role and effectiveness...

Stephen 01-28-2013 03:30 PM

Luke Schenn pick - an example of how inept our scouting, management and coaching braintrust are individually and in tandem, and how anti-tanking just bites you in the arse, considering Doughty, Stamkos, Pietrangelo all went a few picks before.

Trading up to get Schenn was terrible. Hopefully JVR makes up for all this.

Jimmy Hayes - wasted on Brad Ross, who, let's face it, is a long shot to make the NHL given his inability to crack an AHL lineup.

The rest? Not worth typing out.

Ash35 01-28-2013 03:36 PM

Drafting Schenn that high was ridiculous. When was the last time a "defensive" defencemen was drafted in the top 10 and he turned out to actually be worth wasting that high of a pick?

alcanalz 01-28-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash35 (Post 58539731)
Drafting Schenn that high was ridiculous. When was the last time a "defensive" defencemen was drafted in the top 10 and he turned out to actually be worth wasting that high of a pick?

Karl Alzner.

Phatic 01-28-2013 03:56 PM

this was THE WORST DRAFT YEAR IN LEAF HISTORY! so many beautiful names passed up... sad day

bobbyflex 01-28-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash35 (Post 58539731)
Drafting Schenn that high was ridiculous. When was the last time a "defensive" defencemen was drafted in the top 10 and he turned out to actually be worth wasting that high of a pick?

wasn't Griffin Reinhart just drafted 4th overall ?

The Mentalist 01-28-2013 04:06 PM

This wasn't the best draft for the Leafs, I know Leafs were high on Hodgson, I wonder if Fletcher or others wanted Schenn, and moved to get him. Will have to snoop around to gauge this one. I want to give the benefit of the doubt here, but without knowing how this went down, we are left speculating. I always wondered if someone threw an aubible at the draft table.

JAMmer124 01-28-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbyflex (Post 58541041)
wasn't Griffin Reinhart just drafted 4th overall ?

Look at who drafted him. Nuff said.

Rockinz 01-28-2013 04:32 PM

Cliff made that move for Schenn to make a splash...

I always felt we should of stood pat instead of giving up 7th OV + 2nd + 3rd for Schenn at #5... Too much for only 2 spots IMO

Wanted Hodgson or Wilson at #7


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