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coldsteelonice84 01-29-2013 08:51 AM

Who is the next Yanic Perreault?
 
Is there a guy out there who just completely dominates faceoffs in the way Perreault did? Obviously, it would be nice if that player had the offense of Perreault as well but if not, at least have enough skill to make the NHL as a regular while being among the very best on draws in the league.

ColonialsHockey10 01-29-2013 09:34 AM

Oscar Lindberg.

Kevin Forbes 01-29-2013 10:26 AM

Brent Andrews is a Nashville Predators prospect playing for the Halifax Mooseheads.

He's more of a checker and if he makes it to the NHL, it will be as a bottom-six defensive specialist, but he's one of the top faceoff guys in the QMJHL.

This season he's around 57%, which was a similar pace to last season.

rajuabju 01-29-2013 11:24 AM

wow

now there's a thread topic I never thought I'd see.

YP was around 60% for his career I think. That's 10% better than 50-50.

I dont see how that's in any shape "dominating" ... its clearly better than average. And of course you want him out there to take draws. But still... it just shows that even the "best" at faceoffs wasnt all that particuarly better than the rest

Metalcommand 01-29-2013 11:38 AM

If you take 1500 faceoffs and go 50/50 you win 750. You go 60/40 and you won 900. Now that 10% or even the 150 more won faceoffs might not seem so much but it's 20% more won face-offs than the 50/50 guy. I think that's quite good.

EDIT: Feel free to correct my math if wrong, not my strongest suit :D

Frolov 6'3 01-29-2013 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalcommand (Post 58596137)
If you take 1500 faceoffs and go 50/50 you win 750. You go 60/40 and you won 900. Now that 10% or even the 150 more won faceoffs might not seem so much but it's 20% more won face-offs than the 50/50 guy. I think that's quite good.

EDIT: Feel free to correct my math if wrong, not my strongest suit :D

Agreed, a career winning percentage of almost 61% while having played over 900 NHL games is certainly dominating. You cant expect any better, thats not realistic.

Best face-off guy of the last two decades.

Eric Belanger was great @ face offs in the beginning as well, and was called an expert but got worse later on.

Kershaw 01-29-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ColonialsHockey10 (Post 58590251)
Oscar Lindberg.

He wasn't good the two previous yrs.

kento19 01-29-2013 12:24 PM

Patrice Bergeron and Ryan O'Reilly?

tfong 01-29-2013 12:24 PM

Whats Gaustad numbers?

coldsteelonice84 01-29-2013 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajuabju (Post 58595391)
wow

now there's a thread topic I never thought I'd see.

YP was around 60% for his career I think. That's 10% better than 50-50.

I dont see how that's in any shape "dominating" ... its clearly better than average. And of course you want him out there to take draws. But still... it just shows that even the "best" at faceoffs wasnt all that particuarly better than the rest

I don't recall Perreault ever being that low (60%). I'm sure he had a bad year or two where it happened but I remember him consistently in the 61-65 range.

And that is what I mean by dominating, year to year hitting 61, 62, 63, 64, 65%, the unheard of territory Perreault called home.

bruinsfan46 01-29-2013 01:16 PM

https://twitter.com/dominictiano/sta...34544013500416

Dom who posts here as OrrOverGretzky asked the Oshawa Generals for Laughton's face off percentage because someone was asking and the teams usually keep them. 69.4% was the number he got. Pretty damn good. Unfortunately OHL face off numbers aren't public.

Perd Hapley 01-29-2013 01:19 PM

With the in depth scouting that happens in the league now and the new rule that you can't use your hands it's unlikely that anyone will be that dominant again. Teams start looking for tendencies and you don't have the same advantage in defensive zone, Draper was a a master at winning faceoffs with his hands and it was a big reason he had a great faceoff percentage.

Gabranth 01-29-2013 01:24 PM

Olli Jokinen :sarcasm:

Micklebot 01-29-2013 01:40 PM

Here are some guys that put up similar #s through 97-2005

1 Yanic Perreault 701 7803 4752 3051 60.9
2 Mike Zigomanis 189 1360 809 551 59.5
3 David Steckel 224 1917 1137 780 59.3
4 Scott Nichol 485 3620 2146 1474 59.3
5 Rod Brind'Amour 860 12314 7289 5025 59.2
6 Joe Nieuwendyk 562 7791 4596 3195 59.0
7 Mark Janssens 198 1769 1043 726 59.0

Steckel has kept that pace up I believe, so I guess he's in a similar category. No where near the offensive player though.

edit: just noticed this is the prospects forum; new short answer is no clue.

Pierre Dagenais 02-28-2013 12:07 PM

Bump

Tyler Bozak is pretty sick in the faceoff dot. Even brings some offense just like Perreault did.

joe89 02-28-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kershaw (Post 58598163)
He wasn't good the two previous yrs.

50% for an U20 player is usually on the positive end, if I recall he was very succesful in the World Juniors too. I think you can credit his increase this year to added strength.

triggrman 03-01-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfong (Post 58598641)
Whats Gaustad numbers?

63.8 right now

Moskau 03-01-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajuabju (Post 58595391)
wow

now there's a thread topic I never thought I'd see.

YP was around 60% for his career I think. That's 10% better than 50-50.

I dont see how that's in any shape "dominating" ... its clearly better than average. And of course you want him out there to take draws. But still... it just shows that even the "best" at faceoffs wasnt all that particuarly better than the rest

You couldn't be any more wrong.

Perreault was not only the best at face-offs he was a tier ahead of anyone else at the time. By the end of his career the guy was literally paid just for face-offs.

massivegoonery 03-01-2013 05:13 PM

A player would have to be literally at YP's level of dominance for anyone to make any personnel decision based on faceoff ability. Even then, it would probably be a bad decision.

WasTeD 03-01-2013 05:26 PM

Perrault and Brind'Amour were nightmares to go against in the dot.

Cardiac_Canes 03-01-2013 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajuabju (Post 58595391)
YP was around 60% for his career I think. That's 10% better than 50-50.

You don't say!? :amazed:

XX 03-01-2013 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moskau (Post 60752657)

Perreault was not only the best at face-offs he was a tier ahead of anyone else at the time. By the end of his career the guy was literally paid just for face-offs.

He had different sticks for different draws, depending on who he was going against and what the situation called for. Pretty incredible.

Spectra 03-01-2013 09:40 PM

Jeremy Gregoire?

Just going of NHL 12, he's pretty sick in that game...:laugh:

Honour Over Glory 03-01-2013 09:47 PM

Joe Vitale

56% in his first stint, only 9gp though
55% last year
66% this year

Currently in the NHL, out of anyone that has taken 150+ draws, he's #1 ranked.

SA16 03-01-2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajuabju (Post 58595391)
YP was around 60% for his career I think. That's 10% better than 50-50.

Incorrect. 20% better.


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