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JawandaPuck 01-29-2013 08:13 PM

Edmonton (Hemsky) / Montreal (Eller)
 
EDM 2RW Ales Hemsky for MTL 3C Lars Eller + decent pick

EDM Reasoning: Hemsky is unlikely to return a premier forward, d-man or goalie. Thus, getting ahead of the curve, EDM should look to replace Horcoff as the 3C sooner rather than later. Hemsky could be used to acquire that 3C. Eller is big, strong, fast, responsible, but his hockey sense is better suited for the third line (much like Paajarvi IMO). Eller is signed for another season at $1.325M.

MTL Reasoning: Lars Eller has been displaced by Alex Galchenyuk at 3C. MTL could use a winger for Plekanec while MaxPac is on IR. Hemsky and Plekanec have played on the same CZE national team numerous times, meaning there could be some instant chemistry between them. At $5.5M, Hemsky is signed for another season and should be open to a reasonable extension if all goes well.


When winger Ryan Jones gets back from IR in about a week, the EDM lineup would look like this...

Left - Center - Right
Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Jones (IR)
Hartikainen - Eller - Paajarvi
Belanger - Horcoff - Petrell
Smyth, Hordichuk, Eager (IR)


Until MaxPac is back from his appendectomy in about a month, MTL would look like this:

Left - Center - Right
Gionta - Plekanec - Hemsky
Bourque - Desharnais - Cole
Prust - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Moen - White - Armstrong
Pacioretty (IR), Nokelainen (IR), Blunden


These may even be playoff caliber forward corps depending on how each teams young forwards hold up down the stretch.

Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Petes2424 01-29-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JawandaPuck (Post 58635555)
EDM 2RW Ales Hemsky for MTL 3C Lars Eller + decent pick

EDM Reasoning: Hemsky is unlikely to return a premier forward, d-man or goalie. Thus, getting ahead of the curve, EDM should look to replace Horcoff as the 3C sooner rather than later. Hemsky could be used to acquire that 3C. Eller is big, strong, fast, responsible, but his hockey sense is better suited for the third line (much like Paajarvi IMO). Eller is signed for another season at $1.325M.

MTL Reasoning: Lars Eller has been displaced by Alex Galchenyuk at 3C. MTL could use a winger for Plekanec while MaxPac is on IR. Hemsky and Plekanec have played on the same CZE national team numerous times, meaning there could be some instant chemistry between them. At $5.5M, Hemsky is signed for another season and should be open to a reasonable extension if all goes well.


When winger Ryan Jones gets back from IR in about a week, the EDM lineup would look like this...

Left - Center - Right
Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Jones (IR)
Hartikainen - Eller - Paajarvi
Belanger - Horcoff - Petrell
Smyth, Hordichuk, Eager (IR)


Until MaxPac is back from his appendectomy in about a month, MTL would look like this:

Left - Center - Right
Gionta - Plekanec - Hemsky
Bourque - Desharnais - Cole
Prust - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Moen - White - Armstrong
Pacioretty (IR), Nokelainen (IR), Blunden


These may even be playoff caliber forward corps depending on how each teams young forwards hold up down the stretch.

Thoughts?

Montreal would be stupid to trade Eller as he's 23... He has the tools. Lets see how he turns out. Maybe if they're really in it at the deadline, they include Eller in some sort of upgrade deal.. Wont be for Hemsky though. The fans would eat him alive.

Mr Forever 01-29-2013 08:43 PM

There's no real reason for Montreal to do this, although the value is there. Montreal is rebuilding and would probably rather keep their young guys rather than acquiring a prime aged player.

Mahleezer 01-29-2013 08:45 PM

No interest in Hemsky whatsoever!!

glenbuis 01-29-2013 09:14 PM

No use for Hemsky. Hemsky and Gagner are not wanted in Montreal.

JustOneB4IDie 01-29-2013 09:46 PM

No way Montreal does this. :shakehead

FanHabtic* 01-29-2013 09:49 PM

Absolutely no interest in Hemsky or his caphit or his softness. End Thread.

Drydenwasthebest 01-29-2013 09:55 PM

Hemsky might be back to his point producing ways, but he is not the kind of winger Montreal is interested in. Eller is far more valuable to us for what he brings and his potential, along with his youth and favorable contract. Hemsky is a definite "NO" straight up. The fact we have to add a decent pick is just insulting...

Pierre Dagenais 01-29-2013 09:56 PM

Hemsky is softer than my grandma. We don't want him!

Hugo Sham 01-29-2013 09:58 PM

+ decent pick LOL!
montreal says no

Captain Wolverine 01-29-2013 09:59 PM

Value seems fair, but from a cap and asset management standpoint it makes little sense for a team in Montreal's position to trade a cheap player that has yet to hit his ceiling for a highly paid vet.

Respectful pass.

MaxChart 01-29-2013 10:00 PM

I don't think it's that bad of a proposal if we exclude the decent pick.

Don't think I would do it because of the cap hit and the fact that I'm tired of soft players.

Beendair Donedat 01-29-2013 10:04 PM

No thanks on Hemsky. Costs too much for a winger type that we don't need. I'd give a fifth rounder for Theo Peckham though...

AcadiaAxeMan 01-29-2013 10:05 PM

NEVER! (wait, am I being disrespectful? over the top?)

Frozenice 01-29-2013 10:08 PM

Either Klefbom or Paarjvi would be who I would want coming back. I'd rather wait and see how prospects like Collberg and Kristo do over the next year or two.

Tad McMikowsky 01-29-2013 10:09 PM

As an Oilers fan, I'd do it.

Habs fans, can't see it.

puckfan13 01-29-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozenice (Post 58654687)
Either Klefbom or Paarjvi would be who I would want coming back. I'd rather wait and see how prospects like Collberg and Kristo do over the next year or two.

I'm an Oilers fan and would definitely rather give up Paajarvi for Eller than Hemsky for Eller.

Mc5RingsAndABeer 01-29-2013 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FanHabtic (Post 58652933)
Absolutely no interest in Hemsky or his caphit or his softness. End Thread.

For the millionth time, Hemsky isn't soft. Period.

Anyways, we need to stop making any Hemsky trade proposals. Fans of other team that didn't watch the Oilers a few years ago don't know what he accomplished despite a lacklustre roster.

thadd 01-29-2013 10:28 PM

1: Hemsky is not soft. He plays harder than most players out there.
2: Galyenchuk won't be on the 3rd line for long.
3: I'm not convinced that Edmonton's top 6 would produce enough with Hemsky out of the line-up.
4: Hemsky-Gagner-Yakpov has been our best line so far. But be kinda nuts to pull the trigger on this deal for that reason.
5: With Eller in the fold that forces one of MPS or Hartikainen on the top line and pushes another guy down into being the extra forward. None of Hordichuk, Eager, Petrel or Belanger can be sent down, so that forces us to send Magnus or Hartikainen down. We lose too much speed and grit on a move like this and our bottom 9 wingers will be pretty boring. Especially when Jones comes back. Then both Magnus and Hartikainen will be sent down.

This would be a better trade to be made in the off-season IMO. Maybe Edmonton tosses in a sweetener like a 2nd rounder or Lander, but the value isn't that far off. By then Horcoff will be bought out and it'll make a lot more sense.

Magnus-Eller-Harti would be a good young checking line IMO.

FanHabtic* 01-29-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5RingsAndABeer (Post 58656087)
For the millionth time, Hemsky isn't soft. Period.

Anyways, we need to stop making any Hemsky trade proposals. Fans of other team that didn't watch the Oilers a few years ago don't know what he accomplished despite a lacklustre roster.

By soft i mean weak and lacks grit and gets knocked around alot. Come to think of it that is the definition of soft. Not the type of player that the Habs are looking for.

smackdaddy 01-29-2013 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FanHabtic (Post 58659477)
By soft i mean weak and lacks grit and gets knocked around alot. Come to think of it that is the definition of soft. Not the type of player that the Habs are looking for.

And that's exactly what he's not.

FanHabtic* 01-29-2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smackdaddy (Post 58659671)
And that's exactly what he's not.

That is exactly what he is. Weak, gets knocked around and lacks grit. I forgot to add fragile and oft-injured. Throw in overpaid while you are at it. How you can dispute this is beyond comprehension. :shakehead

smackdaddy 01-29-2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FanHabtic (Post 58659755)
That is exactly what he is. Weak, gets knocked around and lacks grit. I forgot to add fragile and oft-injured. Throw in overpaid while you are at it. How you can dispute this is beyond comprehension. :shakehead

I think you need to watch more hockey. Yeah, you're right he's no Georges Laraque I admit it but he's definitely not soft. :laugh:

Seriously man. Center ice is like fifty bucks.

Suxnet 01-29-2013 11:19 PM

Why does Edmonton do this? Hemsky is much better than Eller.

thadd 01-29-2013 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FanHabtic (Post 58659477)
By soft i mean weak and lacks grit and gets knocked around alot. Come to think of it that is the definition of soft. Not the type of player that the Habs are looking for.


Soft and injury prone are two different things and I think that most people on these boards have forgotten that.

Hemsky goes into the dirty areas. That's the opposite of soft.

Hemsky takes the puck into the dangerous areas to get a shot off. That's not soft. An offensive players which we refer to as soft is what we call a perimeter player. Hemsky has never been accused of being a perimeter player.


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