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blamebettman* 01-30-2013 07:49 AM

These two hits are so different...
 



clearly one deserves a major and a hearing with the league, the other a yawn.

And people wonder why the isles had to take things into their own hands a few years ago with Pittsburgh. It's because of THIS double standard

kasper11 01-30-2013 07:59 AM

Lets see what the league says before getting riled up. The hearing is, I believe, automatic with the major boarding penalty. And different refs are always going to see things differently.

Strummergas 01-30-2013 08:13 AM

The call on the ice was the correct call last night. Any further action would be ludicrous.

Richie Daggers Crime 01-30-2013 08:26 AM

I don't think it's as much a double standard as it is plain inconsistency. Some fans like to think that the league has some vendetta against their team, but let's be real.

kasper11 01-30-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Richie Daggers Crime (Post 58670109)
I don't think it's as much a double standard as it is plain inconsistency. Some fans like to think that the league has some vendetta against their team, but let's be real.

I don't necessarily think the league has a vendetta against the Isles, but I wouldn't be shocked if "star" players were treated more leniently than 29 year old rookies.

Renbarg 01-30-2013 09:10 AM

Refs missed a call... What's the big deal?

Besides, Cmac saw the guy's numbers for much longer than Dion did JT. Cmac also drove his guy further than Dion did. Not saying the Dion didn't deserve a penalty, he did. But Cmac's hit was more egregious.

Richie Daggers Crime 01-30-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kasper11 (Post 58671053)
I don't necessarily think the league has a vendetta against the Isles, but I wouldn't be shocked if "star" players were treated more leniently than 29 year old rookies.

Of course. Why would anyone expect otherwise?

IceAce 01-30-2013 09:20 AM

McDonald deserved what he got. Phaneuf should've been penalized.

StrongIslanders90 01-30-2013 10:43 AM

Dion should have got 2 min..... McDonald deserved the 5 min major....He drove him into the boards without ever trying to hold up and Lovejoy's back was turned the whole time...

ScaredStreit 01-30-2013 10:52 AM

Just because 1 dirty hit goes unpunished-doesn't mean that the other should as well. Mac deserves a suspension. It was careless, stupid, and above all else dangerous. A hit like that has no place in hockey.

By many people's arguments Bertuzzi got a huge slap on the wrist for breaking Moore's neck (his full season suspension was the lockout)-so therefore no dirty hits deserve suspensions? Silly argument.

Strummergas 01-30-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ScaredStreit (Post 58676021)
Just because 1 dirty hit goes unpunished-doesn't mean that the other should as well. Mac deserves a suspension. It was careless, stupid, and above all else dangerous. A hit like that has no place in hockey.

By many people's arguments Bertuzzi got a huge slap on the wrist for breaking Moore's neck (his full season suspension was the lockout)-so therefore no dirty hits deserve suspensions? Silly argument.

McDonald has no prior disciplinary action taken against him in either the NHL or the AHL and thankfully Lovejoy wasn't injured. It was a careless play, but there's nothing to suggest there was any malice in the action. A suspension is overly harsh in this case. If he does it again, that's a different story.

doublechili 01-30-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Renbarg (Post 58671521)
Refs missed a call... What's the big deal?

Besides, Cmac saw the guy's numbers for much longer than Dion did JT. Cmac also drove his guy further than Dion did. Not saying the Dion didn't deserve a penalty, he did. But Cmac's hit was more egregious.

I agree. As much as it pains me to even come close to defending Phaneuf. Phaneuf took advantage of JT being in a vulnerable position. McD put Lovejoy in a vulnerable position. Big difference.

doublechili 01-30-2013 11:41 AM

Question: do you think the NHL will/should take the shortened season into account when handing out suspensions? McD is a bad example, but say a star player, very important to his team, does something that in a full season would be worth 8 games (10% of the schedule, roughly). But 8 games in a 48 game schedule is 17% of the schedule, roughly. Should they prorate?

Fantom 01-30-2013 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renbarg (Post 58671521)
Refs missed a call... What's the big deal?

Besides, Cmac saw the guy's numbers for much longer than Dion did JT. Cmac also drove his guy further than Dion did. Not saying the Dion didn't deserve a penalty, he did. But Cmac's hit was more egregious.

i agree here

ScaredStreit 01-30-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Strummergas (Post 58677577)
McDonald has no prior disciplinary action taken against him in either the NHL or the AHL and thankfully Lovejoy wasn't injured. It was a careless play, but there's nothing to suggest there was any malice in the action. A suspension is overly harsh in this case. If he does it again, that's a different story.

In all fairness if he does something like this next year let's say...you're going to hear the argument that he's never been suspended before for a dirty hit. And there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't malice though. We don't know what his intentions were-and for all we know it could have been a complete dumb mistake. But the fact is he made a stupid check (from behind), wasn't playing the puck, and put Lovejoy into a very dangerous situation. Make no mistake about it-Lovejoy could have easily gotten a concussion (or worse) form te hit. In short: we don't know Mac's intent-but if you look at the facts at what happened he endangered another player's career with an illegal hit. To me that deserves a suspension. Not a 5+ game or anything out of control like that-but a suspension nonetheless.

Fantom 01-30-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ScaredStreit (Post 58679789)
In all fairness if he does something like this next year let's say...you're going to hear the argument that he's never been suspended before for a dirty hit. And there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't malice though. We don't know what his intentions were-and for all we know it could have been a complete dumb mistake. But the fact is he made a stupid check (from behind), wasn't playing the puck, and put Lovejoy into a very dangerous situation. Make no mistake about it-Lovejoy could have easily gotten a concussion (or worse) form te hit. In short: we don't know Mac's intent-but if you look at the facts at what happened he endangered another player's career with an illegal hit. To me that deserves a suspension. Not a 5+ game or anything out of control like that-but a suspension nonetheless.

I was thinking 2 maybe 3

Strummergas 01-30-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScaredStreit (Post 58679789)
In all fairness if he does something like this next year let's say...you're going to hear the argument that he's never been suspended before for a dirty hit. And there is nothing to suggest that it wasn't malice though. We don't know what his intentions were-and for all we know it could have been a complete dumb mistake. But the fact is he made a stupid check (from behind), wasn't playing the puck, and put Lovejoy into a very dangerous situation. Make no mistake about it-Lovejoy could have easily gotten a concussion (or worse) form te hit. In short: we don't know Mac's intent-but if you look at the facts at what happened he endangered another player's career with an illegal hit. To me that deserves a suspension. Not a 5+ game or anything out of control like that-but a suspension nonetheless.

No, but he would have already had a hearing for the same type of play at that point, so that argument wouldn't be valid the next time it happens. It's moot now anyway as he's been given 2 games. I think it's unwarranted, but if this is the way they're gonna rule on these type of hits this season, that's fine with me as long as they're going to be consistent. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't be...

A Pointed Stick 01-30-2013 01:54 PM

Did the Isles ask for a review?


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