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LatvianTwist 01-30-2013 09:13 PM

Dallas - Pittsburgh, Dallas - Vancouver
 
:pens Receive:

Michael Ryder (at half salary)
Brenden Morrow (also at half salary)


:stars Receive:

Theodor Bleuger
Eric Tangradi
2013 Pittsburgh 2nd
2013 Pittsburgh 5th

Why the Penguins do this - They pick up a veteran bottom 6er who can provide leadership and some grit as long as he isn't relied upon too much, and a legit top 6 winger to play with Crosby. Both are UFAs at the end of the season, so Pittsburgh doesn't have to give up too much, and don't give up any vital pieces to their future.

Dupuis - Crosby - Ryder
Neal - Malkin - Kunitz
Morrow - Sutter - Kennedy

Why the Stars do this - Morrow needs to go, as he should've gone when Ott and Ribeiro were traded (part of that old leadership core that isn't getting it done). We also should try and get something for Ryder, as I don't see him returning after this season. Tangradi looks like a guy who just needs a change of scenery, and Bleuger is a solid center prospect who adds to our depth there already. Would only do this if/when we're out of it or if R. Smith pushes his way into the top 6.


:nucks Receive:

Stephane Robidas
Vernon Fiddler


:stars Receive:

Keith Ballard
2013 Vancouver 3rd

Why the Canucks do this - They add a valuable bottom 6 forward who can win faceoffs, kill penalties, and be similar to Malhotra pre-injury, while moving out a defender who hasn't been all that impressive for a guy that should flourish with a reduced role. Not losing anything major, as the only whole opened up is filled instantly, and they add a bottom 6 forward who I think could help them a lot more than one would think in a shortened season.

Why the Stars do this - Robidas is being used as a #1 in Dallas, which he simply isn't anymore. Gulutzan won't seem to change that, so the best answer IMO is to trade him (he's a part of that leadership core, as well). Ballard seems like a guy who could use a change of scenery, and a Goligoski - Ballard pairing seems like something that should at least be tried. We can afford to move Fiddler with a hefty stock of bottom 6 forwards coming up all of a sudden, and add a pick as well.

Eriksson - Benn - Jagr
Whitney - Roy - R. Smith
Vincour - Eakin - Tangradi
Nystrom - Sceviour - Wandell//Garbutt

Oleksiak - Larsen
Goligoski - Ballard
Dillon - Daley

I like the looks of that. We add some good pieces for the future without losing much in terms of being competitive, and if anything, we could end up being a better team after these moves.

capitalsrock 01-30-2013 09:16 PM

Lol the Dallas defensive core after these trades is just awful

LatvianTwist 01-30-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capitalsrock (Post 58713693)
Lol the Dallas defensive core after these trades is just awful

I thought it got better :help:

Pitt's Best #87 #66 01-30-2013 09:19 PM

Pens would do it.

Nuckles 01-30-2013 09:20 PM

Canucks decline.

Ballard - Tanev has been our best d-pairing, no reason to move him until the off-season.

Vankiller Whale 01-30-2013 09:21 PM

Hmm...Maybe at the deadline. I'm inclined to keep Ballard for the moment, as he's been our best defenseman, and might be able to raise his value before being traded in the off-season.

capitalsrock 01-30-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 58713813)
I thought it got better :help:

Maybe I am wrong but they should be looking for a #1 if they are trading their current #1.

It wasn't much to begin with anyway.

LatvianTwist 01-30-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capitalsrock (Post 58714287)
Maybe I am wrong but they should be looking for a #1 if they are trading their current #1.

It wasn't much to begin with anyway.

Robidas should not be our #1 at all. He's better suited for #4-6.

BigBenSF* 01-30-2013 09:26 PM

Pens say yes.

Phion Keneuf 01-30-2013 09:27 PM

Why is Daley on the bottom pairing?
Why isn't Gogo on the top pair lol?

StringerBell 01-30-2013 09:36 PM

MFW reading about trading Ballard for Fiddler

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--b6vvOX-c5...sz_fiddler.jpg

SEALBound 01-30-2013 09:39 PM

I'd do that from a Penguins perspective

Morrow-Crosby-Dupuis
Ryder-Malkin-Neal
Kunitz-Sutter-TK
Cooke-Vitale-Glass

Morrow-Ryder-Kunitz all interchangable.

LatvianTwist 01-30-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEALBound (Post 58715573)
I'd do that from a Penguins perspective

Morrow-Crosby-Dupuis
Ryder-Malkin-Neal
Kunitz-Sutter-TK
Cooke-Vitale-Glass

Morrow-Ryder-Kunitz all interchangable.

Don't put Morrow in your top 6.

domaug* 01-30-2013 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 58713399)
:pens Receive:

Michael Ryder (at half salary)
Brenden Morrow (also at half salary)


:stars Receive:

Theodor Bleuger
Eric Tangradi
2013 Pittsburgh 2nd
2013 Pittsburgh 5th

Why the Penguins do this - They pick up a veteran bottom 6er who can provide leadership and some grit as long as he isn't relied upon too much, and a legit top 6 winger to play with Crosby. Both are UFAs at the end of the season, so Pittsburgh doesn't have to give up too much, and don't give up any vital pieces to their future.

Dupuis - Crosby - Ryder
Neal - Malkin - Kunitz
Morrow - Sutter - Kennedy

Why the Stars do this - Morrow needs to go, as he should've gone when Ott and Ribeiro were traded (part of that old leadership core that isn't getting it done). We also should try and get something for Ryder, as I don't see him returning after this season. Tangradi looks like a guy who just needs a change of scenery, and Bleuger is a solid center prospect who adds to our depth there already. Would only do this if/when we're out of it or if R. Smith pushes his way into the top 6.


:nucks Receive:

Stephane Robidas
Vernon Fiddler


:stars Receive:

Keith Ballard
2013 Vancouver 3rd

Why the Canucks do this - They add a valuable bottom 6 forward who can win faceoffs, kill penalties, and be similar to Malhotra pre-injury, while moving out a defender who hasn't been all that impressive for a guy that should flourish with a reduced role. Not losing anything major, as the only whole opened up is filled instantly, and they add a bottom 6 forward who I think could help them a lot more than one would think in a shortened season.

Why the Stars do this - Robidas is being used as a #1 in Dallas, which he simply isn't anymore. Gulutzan won't seem to change that, so the best answer IMO is to trade him (he's a part of that leadership core, as well). Ballard seems like a guy who could use a change of scenery, and a Goligoski - Ballard pairing seems like something that should at least be tried. We can afford to move Fiddler with a hefty stock of bottom 6 forwards coming up all of a sudden, and add a pick as well.

Eriksson - Benn - Jagr
Whitney - Roy - R. Smith
Vincour - Eakin - Tangradi
Nystrom - Sceviour - Wandell//Garbutt

Oleksiak - Larsen
Goligoski - Ballard
Dillon - Daley

I like the looks of that. We add some good pieces for the future without losing much in terms of being competitive, and if anything, we could end up being a better team after these moves.

i would only do that first deal if the Pens knew they could re-sign Morrow and Ryder. they'll need veteran presence that has some talent. Morrow is on a skid but he might pick it up with a change of scenery. i like Ryder for this current Pens team, too.

IMO the biggest thing Pittsburgh's giving up is that 2nd round pick and Teddy Blueger, but i'd still do it.

TrillMike 01-30-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEALBound (Post 58715573)
I'd do that from a Penguins perspective

Morrow-Crosby-Dupuis
Ryder-Malkin-Neal
Kunitz-Sutter-TK
Cooke-Vitale-Glass

Morrow-Ryder-Kunitz all interchangable.

There is absolutely no way Morrow would be sniffing first line duty.

domaug* 01-30-2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 58716303)
Don't put Morrow in your top 6.

perhaps...

Ryder - Crosby - Dupuis
Kennedy - Malkin - Neal
Cooke - Sutter - Morrow
Kunitz - Vitale - Jeffrey

that's what i wouldn't mind seeing.

however, with the Pens' shaky coaching, at one point of one of the games, the lines would look like this anyway:

Crosby - Malkin - Neal
Morrow - Sutter - Ryder
Cooke - Despres - Kennedy
Kunitz - Vitale - Vokoun

(yes, you read that right lol)

IcedCapp 01-30-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trillmike (Post 58717463)
There is absolutely no way Morrow would be sniffing first line duty.

Crosby's apparently not allowed to play with skilled guys, so Dupuis and Morrow it is!

domaug* 01-30-2013 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcedCapp (Post 58717747)
Crosby's apparently not allowed to play with skilled guys, so Dupuis and Morrow it is!

even for someone as poised (or mellow) as Crosby, his patience must be wearing thin every game he plays with Tweedle Kune and Tweedle Dupe.

IcedCapp 01-30-2013 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psupens (Post 58717635)
perhaps...

Ryder - Crosby - Dupuis
Kennedy - Malkin - Neal
Cooke - Sutter - Morrow
Kunitz - Vitale - Jeffrey

that's what i wouldn't mind seeing.

however, with the Pens' shaky coaching, at one point of one of the games, the lines would look like this anyway:

Crosby - Malkin - Neal
Morrow - Sutter - Ryder
Cooke - Despres - Kennedy
Kunitz - Vitale - Vokoun

(yes, you read that right lol)

huh? Kunitz will never be out of the top-6, even with this trade. They would go back to Kunitz - Malkin - Neal, and then do Crosby and Ryder and find the best mix from Morrow and Dupuis.

I mean, if the Stars would be willing to make a trade for just Ryder, sure, but I get the feeling part of this is about cutting unnecessary salary?

Rowdy Roddy Peeper 01-30-2013 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trillmike (Post 58717463)
There is absolutely no way Morrow would be sniffing first line duty.

Dude, we've had Tanner Glass see regular minutes on Malkin's line.

Tanner. Glass.

As a Pens fan, I'd sign off on this deal - we need a RH goal-scorer like Ryder. Sucks to give up Blueger though.

BigBenSF* 01-30-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psupens (Post 58717635)
perhaps...

Ryder - Crosby - Dupuis
Kennedy - Malkin - Neal
Cooke - Sutter - Morrow
Kunitz - Vitale - Jeffrey

that's what i wouldn't mind seeing.

however, with the Pens' shaky coaching, at one point of one of the games, the lines would look like this anyway:

Crosby - Malkin - Neal
Morrow - Sutter - Ryder
Cooke - Despres - Kennedy
Kunitz - Vitale - Vokoun

(yes, you read that right lol)

Kunitz on the 4th line? He's had a couple of bad games but that's partly to do with chemistry, put him back on Geno's line and see what happens then.

Ryder - Crosby - Duper
Kunitz - Malkin - Neal
TK - Sutter - Jeffrey
Glass - Vitale - Morrow

LatvianTwist 01-30-2013 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcedCapp (Post 58717959)
huh? Kunitz will never be out of the top-6, even with this trade. They would go back to Kunitz - Malkin - Neal, and then do Crosby and Ryder and find the best mix from Morrow and Dupuis.

I mean, if the Stars would be willing to make a trade for just Ryder, sure, but I get the feeling part of this is about cutting unnecessary salary?

No, we mostly just want Morrow gone. He was more of a throw-in to get Tangradi and the 5th.

ReverendAlBundy 01-30-2013 10:45 PM

I like both of these trades. Good job, twist.

Epimetheus 01-30-2013 10:52 PM

No way Canucks do this.Too much salary coming.We already have our TOP4,why would we pay Robidas 3.3M for bottom pairing minutes?If Ballard is traded it would be for picks or some prospect.

LatvianTwist 01-30-2013 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epimetheus (Post 58721781)
No way Canucks do this.Too much salary coming.We already have our TOP4,why would we pay Robidas 3.3M for bottom pairing minutes?If Ballard is traded it would be for picks or some prospect.

We could keep some of Robidas' salary if needed, and it's not like you're gaining 3.3M in cap. Gaining less than 1M total, actually dropping some if we keep his salary.


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