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LotteryForLife* 01-31-2013 12:31 PM

Leafs/Isles
 
I read an article from the Toronto Star about the possibility of Kessel being shopped. I think Kessel/Tavares/Moulson would become one of the league's most unstoppable first lines. What do Leafs/Isles fans think would be a good proposal

:leafs
Niederreiter
Mayfield
2013 #1 pick

:isles
Kessel

The Podium 01-31-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LotteryForLife (Post 58748351)
I read an article from the Toronto Star

Your first mistake....

Proposal wont do it.

HockeyGuruPitka 01-31-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LotteryForLife (Post 58748351)
I read an article from the Toronto Star about the possibility of Kessel being shopped. I think Kessel/Tavares/Moulson would become one of the league's most unstoppable first lines. What do Leafs/Isles fans think would be a good proposal

:leafs
Niederreiter
Mayfield
2013 #1 pick

:isles
Kessel

I dont think the isles would want to make this trade.

Definitely think that 1st will end up getting a Kessel Esq player.

Phion Keneuf 01-31-2013 12:41 PM

Swap Mayfield for Nelson

Oberyn 01-31-2013 12:43 PM

Leafs should make the trade and then draft Shinkaruk with the first. They look so alike I don't think the Toronto locker room will even notice that they traded away Kessel.

CREW99AW 01-31-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyGuruPitka (Post 58748833)
I dont think the isles would want to make this trade.

Definitely think that 1st will end up getting a Kessel Esq player.

Kessel at $5.4m is affordable and reasonable, despite the weak parts of his game: weak defensively and physically.

Kessel at the $7m-$8m per, he's expected to seek in 2014, is way out of the isles budget.


Flawed, potential 30 goal scorers:
Grabner: $2m-$3m
Moulson:$3m+
Kessel: $7m-$8m

One of those does not belong on a budget tight NYI team:help:

Oates2Neely 01-31-2013 12:51 PM

Strome for Kessel,, straight up

Or:

Strome + Nino + 2013 1st

for

Kessel + Phaneuf


Toronto rebuilds around:
Gardiner
Reilly
Strome
Nino
JVR
Kadri
(and has 2 arguably very good 1st round picks this offseason).

Phion Keneuf 01-31-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 58749375)
Strome for Kessel,, straight up

Ha. Ha.

Baarle* 01-31-2013 12:53 PM

Would prefer to make this deal at the deadline so we have a better idea of how high the pick will be, if it is, deal. Two top 5 picks in this draft will be great

edit: Thought it was for Kessel only, no deal in that case

Mike Bobcat 01-31-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 58749375)
Strome for Kessel,, straight up

Tavares for Kessel straight up

CREW99AW 01-31-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 58749375)
Strome for Kessel,, straight up

Or:

Strome + Nino + 2013 1st

for

Kessel + Phaneuf


Toronto rebuilds around:
Gardiner
Reilly
Strome
Nino
JVR
Kadri
(and has 2 arguably very good 1st round picks this offseason).

I guess when Snow tells the press that he's sticking with his youth movement, he doesn't mean trading his two top youngsters+ 1 st rounder, for 1 and 1/2 seasons of Kessel and Phaneuf?

kihei 01-31-2013 01:07 PM

Tempting.

Nizdizzle 01-31-2013 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 58749375)
Strome for Kessel,, straight up

Or:

Strome + Nino + 2013 1st

for

Kessel + Phaneuf


Toronto rebuilds around:
Gardiner
Reilly
Strome
Nino
JVR
Kadri
(and has 2 arguably very good 1st round picks this offseason).

Don't quit your dayjob

Oates2Neely 01-31-2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58749733)
I guess when Snow tells the press that he's sticking with his youth movement, he doesn't mean trading his two top youngsters+ 1 st rounder, for 1 and 1/2 seasons of Kessel and Phaneuf?

With attendance issues, and money problems, a Playoff Run would do this team (& fanbase) wonders. Kessel is close to a 40-goal guy already, w/ Tavares he perhaps eclipses that. Phaneuf brings instant stability & physical presence to the blueline. And he wont have the pressure of being the #1 (Streit is).

Moulson-Tavares-Kessel

Phanuef - Streit

joemon999 01-31-2013 01:16 PM

Counter Offer
 
Okposo
Nino
2013 1st

For

Kessel

IWD 01-31-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58749231)
Kessel at $5.4m is affordable and reasonable, despite the weak parts of his game: weak defensively and physically.

Kessel at the $7m-$8m per, he's expected to seek in 2014, is way out of the isles budget.


Flawed, potential 30 goal scorers:
Grabner: $2m-$3m
Moulson:$3m+
Kessel: $7m-$8m

One of those does not belong on a budget tight NYI team:help:

Hmm, that sounds pretty bang on, actually. It'd only work for the Isles if it was a long-term commitment at a reasonable rate.

CREW99AW 01-31-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 58750545)
With attendance issues, and money problems, a Playoff Run would do this team (& fanbase) wonders. Kessel is close to a 40-goal guy already, w/ Tavares he perhaps eclipses that. Phaneuf brings instant stability & physical presence to the blueline. And he wont have the pressure of being the #1 (Streit is).

Moulson-Tavares-Kessel

Phanuef - Streit



So the cash strapped Isles add rough $12m in salary, for 2 players who will be ufas in 2014?
No interest, not even tempted, in taking such Milburylike short term moves.

Like the Leafs, the isles are building with homegrown talent.
Unlike the leafs, the isles won't be spending anywhere close to the cap ceiling.

Namikaze Minato 01-31-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58749231)
Kessel at $5.4m is affordable and reasonable, despite the weak parts of his game: weak defensively and physically.

Kessel at the $7m-$8m per, he's expected to seek in 2014, is way out of the isles budget.


Flawed, potential 30 goal scorers:
Grabner: $2m-$3m
Moulson:$3m+
Kessel: $7m-$8m

One of those does not belong on a budget tight NYI team:help:

I think you're underselling how good kessel on the islanders would be as a goalscorer.
Firstly, he's no longer the top guy with Tavares, if not already being a better player, will most certainly be the better of the two barring something unfortunate.
Second, IMO, he would be a 40 goal scorer with JT. I don't think there would be much doubt to that. Possible 90+ points over a full season and you would truly appreciate his skill as a playmaker and a goalscorer with a guy like Tavares.

As a leafs fan, that first has to be coming back with one of strome/ nino.
In my fantasy land, it would be both strome and nino and the first haha.

Tavaresfan91 01-31-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joemon999 (Post 58750785)
Okposo
Nino
2013 1st

For

Kessel

Brian Burke....is that you?

berglund 01-31-2013 01:44 PM

Islanders 1st could still end up being a very high pick, which could easily be better or equal to Kessel.

To also add two rebuilding pieces to the trade for a soon to be 8 million dollar contract makes no sense for the isles.

CREW99AW 01-31-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodimus Prime (Post 58752089)
I think you're underselling how good kessel on the islanders would be as a goalscorer.
Firstly, he's no longer the top guy with Tavares, if not already being a better player, will most certainly be the better of the two barring something unfortunate.
Second, IMO, he would be a 40 goal scorer with JT. I don't think there would be much doubt to that. Possible 90+ points over a full season and you would truly appreciate his skill as a playmaker and a goalscorer with a guy like Tavares.

As a leafs fan, that first has to be coming back with one of strome/ nino.
In my fantasy land, it would be both strome and nino and the first haha.




1.The isles have an internal budget.
2.Kessel (and Phaneuf) are ufas in 2014. The last time Snow gave up something significant for a soon to be ufa, was 2007. He's the anti-Milbury.
3.Isles would rather pay Moulson and Grabner to flirt with 40 goals season, at $2m-$3m then overpay Kessel for his possible 40 goals.

CREW99AW 01-31-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fst6 (Post 58752347)
Islanders 1st could still end up being a very high pick, which could easily be better or equal to Kessel.

To also add two rebuilding pieces to the trade for a soon to be 8 million dollar contract makes no sense for the isles.



I asked on the NYI board, with the Isles having a tight team budget, would the isles even trade Moulson or Grabner straight up for Kessel, a soon to be ufa?

Moulson's had 3 straight seasons of at least 30 goals, making $3m+. He says loves it on LI and the team has to feel good about their chances, to re-sign him at a reasonable rate.

Grabner had 34 goals 2 seasons ago, then slumped to 20 goals last season.
So far this season, Grabner has looked like the Grabner of his rookie season: 2g. 4 a and dangerous on the pk. Grabner makes $2m this season and $3m next season. He won't make big bucks until 2014-2015

Meanwhile Kessel has 3 assists on the season. The press is speculating it'll take $7m-$8m to sign him in 2014.


So, if you are Snow on a tight budget, are you even jumping into the mix for Kessel ?

Namikaze Minato 01-31-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58752355)
1.The isles have an internal budget.
2.Kessel (and Phaneuf) are ufas in 2014. The last time Snow gave up something significant for a soon to be ufa, was 2007. He's the anti-Milbury.
3.Isles would rather pay Moulson and Grabner to flirt with 40 goals season, at $2m-$3m then overpay Kessel for his possible 40 goals.

1) I'm not saying take dion too, but there is salary retaining in today's CBA.
2) Thats still a full season of negotiations, a trade deadline (where teams often overpay aka Ryan smyth) and even opportunity to trade his rights If it came to that.
3) kessel is a much better player than both grabner and moulson. Though moulson is a different type of player, both very good. But there's no denying kessel is better (and would be paid better)


I'm not a leafs fan who wants to trade kessel, but it's silly to say just because you have an intenal cap, you wouldn't trade for a player that would benefit your team greatly.

I understand your POV, I understand the wang cap, I don't think kessel to the isles will actually happen, what I'm saying is it would make more sense than you're making it seem.

CREW99AW 01-31-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodimus Prime (Post 58752831)
1) I'm not saying take dion too, but there is salary retaining in today's CBA.
2) Thats still a full season of negotiations, a trade deadline (where teams often overpay aka Ryan smyth) and even opportunity to trade his rights If it came to that.
3) kessel is a much better player than both grabner and moulson. Though moulson is a different type of player, both very good. But there's no denying kessel is better (and would be paid better)


I'm not a leafs fan who wants to trade kessel, but it's silly to say just because you have an intenal cap, you wouldn't trade for a player that would benefit your team greatly.

I understand your POV, I understand the wang cap, I don't think kessel to the leafs will actually happen, what I'm saying is it would make more sense than you're making it seem.



So the isles get help paying Kessel's $5.4m salary for the next 1 and 1/2 seasons. What about after 2014, when they try signing him to a multi yr extension? Who sees Wang wanting to pay Kessel $7m-$8m per?

and I think it's silly to pretend the isles don't have budget issues. What, bury your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist?

Namikaze Minato 01-31-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CREW99AW (Post 58753063)
So the isles get help paying Kessel's $5.4m salary for the next 1 and 1/2 seasons. What about after 2014, when they try signing him to a multi yr extension? Who sees Wang wanting to pay Kessel $7m-$8m per?

and I think it's silly to pretend the isles don't have budget issues. What, bury your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist?

If kessels the piece that puts the islanders into the playoffs, past the first round in the time leading up to his ufa status, the islanders will make enough money to justify raising an internal cap.

I know you're hesitant because your franchise had been screwed by bad management, leafs fans sympathize, but if you have a piece like kessel help get you into the playoffs and make you a threat, why wouldn't you want to pull the trigger?

Grabner is a free agent looking for a raise at the same time as kessel, he puts up another 30 goals he could easily ask for 6 million. Is it preferable to have him at a mill or two less than kessel?


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