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flameaholic 01-31-2013 10:38 PM

Where's the grit?
 
Forwards are soft. 'D' is soft. Kipper is playing soft! And people :rant: when everyone predicted us to finish last.

Stewie Griffin 01-31-2013 10:39 PM

Usually a topic is started to discuss something...

I'm confused.

MuffinMerc 01-31-2013 10:40 PM

The grit is on the 4th line. :laugh:

flameaholic 01-31-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie Griffin (Post 58803131)
Usually a topic is started to discuss something...

I'm confused.

I'm asking where all the grit went. What's so confusing about that?

Flames Fanatic 01-31-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flameaholic (Post 58803519)
I'm asking where all the grit went. What's so confusing about that?

Management decided that skill and offense was needed to change it up. Grit hasn't gotten us anywhere in the past decade since the cup run. The combination of the two comes at a premium cost which we cannot afford. Ergo, we only get 1 of 2.

Northern Neighbour 01-31-2013 10:44 PM

The Flames are a soft team. Feaster went too far in trying to get more skill that he ignored the importance of having gritty, tough players. The best teams in the League have a great balance of skill, grit, and toughness. The Flames don't have that.

flameaholic 01-31-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MuffinMerc (Post 58803253)
The grit is on the 4th line. :laugh:

Oh yeah! Steve BEGIN, Tim JACKMAN, Blake COMEAU. :clap:

Stewie Griffin 01-31-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flameaholic (Post 58803519)
I'm asking where all the grit went. What's so confusing about that?

We need our goalie to have grit? :confused:

As for the rest of the team, it left with the Sutters.

Welcome to being a Calgary Flames fan, I guess.

WhereIsIt 01-31-2013 10:45 PM

Out of all the things that could net us a few wins I don't think "grit" is too high on the list.

TheHudlinator 01-31-2013 10:46 PM

Kipper is doing alot of things like sucking but soft isn't how I would describe it.

We have been gritty for years that got us to the first round and out no thanks I want skill

Northern Neighbour 01-31-2013 10:48 PM

The team needed more skill, but a team also needs grit. It seems this team has gone from one extreme to the other. Like I said, the best teams in the league have both. All of the elite teams have that one energy line that bangs and crashes. The Flames don't have that.

MuffinMerc 01-31-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by flameaholic (Post 58803759)
Oh yeah! Steve BEGIN, Tim JACKMAN, Blake COMEAU. :clap:

It's all we have. Until/Unless our D plays a more physical game, Begin and Jackman are the only ones with 'grit' left.

flameaholic 01-31-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 58803941)
Kipper is doing alot of things like sucking but soft isn't how I would describe it.

We have been gritty for years that got us to the first round and out no thanks I want skill

You need both. The Flames are not nearly good enough to rely just on their "skill". :shakehead

TheHudlinator 01-31-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flameaholic (Post 58804363)
You need both. The Flames are not nearly good enough to rely just on their "skill". :shakehead

Right we need grit thats why the really gritty teams we have won some many cups? Grit is the most overrated thing in hockey, the Hudler line tonight because of quick smart passes and the willingness to compete. I am tired of this Sutter mentality that toughness wins championships, no it doesn't skill does every time.

Northern Neighbour 01-31-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 58804623)
Right we need grit thats why the really gritty teams we have won some many cups? Grit is the most overrated thing in hockey, the Hudler line tonight because of quick smart passes and the willingness to compete. I am tired of this Sutter mentality that toughness wins championships, no it doesn't skill does every time.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Flames don't have enough gritty, tough players on the club to complement the skilled players. As I've mentioned twice in this thread, the best teams in the game have skill, grit, and toughness. Just look at the recent Stanley Cup winners.

LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, and Chicago - all skilled, gritty, tough teams. These teams aren't rolling out 3 skilled, undersized lines. They have 2 scoring lines, a hard-nosed checking line, and an energy line. The Flames team that won the Stanley Cup had these 3 elements and the same line structure.

WhereIsIt 01-31-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flameaholic (Post 58804363)
You need both. The Flames are not nearly good enough to rely just on their "skill". :shakehead

Then maybe they need more skill. Or help on defense. Or for our goalie not to suck.

Although I recognize the lack of grit, not once have I been watching this team this year and said "Hmmmm, we could really use some more grit out there". We need tighter defense and more finish.

tfong 01-31-2013 11:00 PM

Well first we need to solidify the skill part, then go for grit. Grit is easier to buy from FA, skill doesn't grow on trees. That was the drafting policy of Dutter, draft grit and buy skill. Look where that brought us?

You draft skill and buy grit :) If you are lucky you draft skill and get grit as a bonus :)

I Hate Chris Butler 01-31-2013 11:00 PM

Imagine that Regehr was the left nut, and Phaneuf was the right.

Northern Neighbour 01-31-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Erixons Dad (Post 58805203)
Then maybe they need more skill. Or help on defense. Or for our goalie not to suck.

Although I recognize the lack of grit, not once have I been watching this team this year and said "Hmmmm, we could really use some more grit out there". We need tighter defense and more finish.

There have been times where I have said to myself that the team needs more size and needs more physical players, especially when they get behind in games or when they have trouble stopping teams from cycling the puck down low. IMO, the club needs at least 1 or 2 top-9 guys with a bit of grit and definitely another physical defenceman.

BTW, weren't we just talking about this very subject in another thread?

TheHudlinator 01-31-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Neighbour (Post 58804985)
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Flames don't have enough gritty, tough players on the club to complement the skilled players. As I've mentioned twice in this thread, the best teams in the game have skill, grit, and toughness. Just look at the recent Stanley Cup winners.

LA, Boston, Pittsburgh, and Chicago - all skilled, gritty, tough teams. These teams aren't rolling out 3 skilled, undersized lines. They have 2 scoring lines, a hard-nosed checking line, and an energy line. The Flames team that won the Stanley Cup had these 3 elements and the same line structure.

The difference is top teams have Gritty skilled guys Brown,Lucic,Hartnell etc the players we could get would be just grit and just grit is ****ing useless. He have Glencross and Iginla(kinda) I would rather run with all skill then get just grit.

FLAMES666 01-31-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Neighbour (Post 58803749)
The Flames are a soft team. Feaster went too far in trying to get more skill that he ignored the importance of having gritty, tough players. The best teams in the League have a great balance of skill, grit, and toughness. The Flames don't have that.

Hit the nail on the head. Feaster did a complete 180.

tfong 01-31-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FLAMES666 (Post 58805689)
Hit the nail on the head. Feaster did a complete 180.

All the grit the Hawks have is on their 3rd line. Everything else they have is skill + determination + Toews.

Northern Neighbour 01-31-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 58805591)
The difference is top teams have Gritty skilled guys Brown,Lucic,Hartnell etc the players we could get would be just grit and just grit is ****ing useless. He have Glencross and Iginla(kinda) I would rather run with all skill then get just grit.

Look at a team like Ottawa. They have 2 pretty good scoring lines, and their third line consists of Zach Smith, Chris Neil, and Colin Greening. This line is sound defensively, provides a ton of energy when they're on the ice, and have chipped offensively (10 total points between the 3 of them). Often when the Sens are down or the momentum is shifting, Paul MacLean puts this line out to get the momentum back, and they often succeed.

Some games, you win with skill, but there are games where you need to grind out wins. Sure it helps to have top-6 forwards that are skilled and gritty, but it also helps to have a 3rd- and/or 4th-line that can set a physical tone, make hits to shift the momentum, and just be able to wear down the opposing team's defensive corps.

TheHudlinator 01-31-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Neighbour (Post 58803749)
The Flames are a soft team. Feaster went too far in trying to get more skill that he ignored the importance of having gritty, tough players. The best teams in the League have a great balance of skill, grit, and toughness. The Flames don't have that.

Who could we have got that added grit tho? Ott? we didn't have a center the Stars would want.

TheHudlinator 01-31-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Neighbour (Post 58805895)
Look at a team like Ottawa. They have 2 pretty good scoring lines, and their third line consists of Zach Smith, Chris Neil, and Colin Greening. This line is sound defensively, provides a ton of energy when they're on the ice, and have chipped offensively (10 total points between the 3 of them). Often when the Sens are down or the momentum is shifting, Paul MacLean puts this line out to get the momentum back, and they often succeed.

Some games, you win with skill, but there are games where you need to grind out wins. Sure it helps to have top-6 forwards that are skilled and gritty, but it also helps to have a 3rd- and/or 4th-line that can set a physical tone, make hits to shift the momentum, and just be able to wear down the opposing team's defensive corps.

I disagree most you win with skill some you win with grit, my main point is who would you add and take away?

Also that is really only 2 overly physical players we have Glencross and Iginla isn't super physical but as much as Smith is so your telling me 1 more physical player and we are a much better team? I don't buy it


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