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Cape Bretoner 02-01-2013 01:36 AM

Bret Hart Shoots On Triple H - Whoa...
 
Ouch... Won't be seeing Hart on WWE TV anytime in the future.:laugh:


KEEROLE Vatanen 02-01-2013 03:52 AM

He's right about alot of things, but triple h has had alot of really good matches. but WWE tries to portray HHH on the level of Hogan/Austin/Rock/HBK/Bret/Flair when he's not. before his matches with undertaker he never had ONE standout match at WM, his WM25 match with Orton was a major letdown and proved once and for all HHH is not at the top level

Natey 02-01-2013 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OccupySheen (Post 58814821)
He's right about alot of things, but triple h has had alot of really good matches. but WWE tries to portray HHH on the level of Hogan/Austin/Rock/HBK/Bret/Flair when he's not. before his matches with undertaker he never had ONE standout match at WM, his WM25 match with Orton was a major letdown and proved once and for all HHH is not at the top level

Triple H has only had two good Wrestlemania matches. WM 17 vs Undertaker and WM 20 vs Benoit & HBK.

The Lunatic Fridge 02-01-2013 07:58 AM

HHH is alot of things but mediocre and average is not one of them.

RJ8812* 02-01-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FromTheSide (Post 58816459)
HHH is alot of things but mediocre and average is not one of them.

yes he is

like people have said, he's had a couple of great matched. but that's it

he slept his way to the main event on mediocre talent

M.C.G. 31 02-01-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 58817053)
yes he is

like people have said, he's had a couple of great matched. but that's it

he slept his way to the main event on mediocre talent

Triple H was going to be a main eventer regardless. He WAS in the main event before he started dating Steph too. Would he have as many World title reigns without Steph? No. Would he have as much power in the company? Hell no. But he'd still be a main eventer. Triple H had some great matches before his first quad tear.

GarbageGoal 02-01-2013 09:47 AM

Triple H was made by three great faces. Austin, Rock, and Foley.

HajdukSplit 02-01-2013 10:17 AM

To me Foley made HHH at the 2000 Royal Rumble (think that was the year, the one at MSG). I agree with Hart and Cornette makes the same point, he is good but WWE put him among the elite category

Cape Bretoner 02-01-2013 11:01 AM

The heel run Triple H had in 2002-2003 was one of the best in the promotion's history. The guy is a legend.

Engebretson 02-01-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HajdukSplit (Post 58820389)
To me Foley made HHH at the 2000 Royal Rumble (think that was the year, the one at MSG). I agree with Hart and Cornette makes the same point, he is good but WWE put him among the elite category

His Royal Rumble 2000 match was a war and I'll add Summerslam 2002 to his list of great matches as well.

From a technical wrestling standpoint, was HHH a great technical wrestler? No, but he was definitely good. I always thought from a psychological standpoint that he was great heel. He really made you HATE him when he was at his worst and that's something that not a lot of heels do anymore. I also think he needs to get credit for how easily he transitioned from DX HHH to "The Game". He went from being one of the most beloved face wrestlers to one of the most reviled heels.

ColePens 02-01-2013 01:03 PM

He's one of the best brawlers in the game. His matches, when physical, are tremendous. He's not going to pull an Owen/Bret type match. It's just what people want. Natey hates that type of match... I love it. I think all three matches with Taker are amazing. I think the Benoit match was great, too w/ HBK.

The only thing I'll give Hart credit for is that ONE match doesn't stand out in his career as a "must-see". No Rock/Austin WM 17, Austin/Hart, HBK/everyone, Savage/Steamboat, Hogan/Andre, etc.

Martini* 02-01-2013 01:54 PM

More bitter mumbling from Bret Hart. Like he hasnt said this tripe countless times before. Did his legends contract expire and just like before the screwjob Vince didnt want him around again to bring his company down?:laugh:

HHH has been a main cog in the E machine and has reached levels Hart never achived. Its more jealously then anything and on that, I dont blame him for spouting off like a dejected ex girlfriend.

As for originality, Bret, Mysterio was mimicing Blue Demon and Punk is the biggest wannabe Maeda I have ever seen. Not that Hart wasnt original...if Dynamite Kid was never born, that is.

Just more of the same old same from one of the most bitterest men alive.

Disclose 02-01-2013 02:22 PM

cant believe no one remembers his classic WM12 match....

i agree with Hart on alot of things. but HHH was a good wrestler and his match with Taker had my heart racing. something no other match has done. as a fan of both wrestlers, it was too damn fun.

M.C.G. 31 02-01-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ColePens (Post 58828919)
He's one of the best brawlers in the game. His matches, when physical, are tremendous. He's not going to pull an Owen/Bret type match. It's just what people want. Natey hates that type of match... I love it. I think all three matches with Taker are amazing. I think the Benoit match was great, too w/ HBK.

The only thing I'll give Hart credit for is that ONE match doesn't stand out in his career as a "must-see". No Rock/Austin WM 17, Austin/Hart, HBK/everyone, Savage/Steamboat, Hogan/Andre, etc.

Yeah, I enjoy a technical match up, but I also love chaotic brawls that you'd see from Austin, HHH, Rock, etc... It's why Austin/HHH 3 stages of hell is one of my top matches of all time (#3 behind Austin/Hart WM13 and Austin/Rock WM17).

GarbageGoal 02-01-2013 02:30 PM

No shock that the one guy Martini loves is Haitch.

El Dandy* 02-01-2013 02:38 PM

Jim Cornette said it best:

Triple H is the guy that works the guy who draws the money.

Martini* 02-01-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GarbageGoal (Post 58833931)
No shock that the one guy Martini loves is Haitch.

Where did I say I "love" HHH?

Engebretson 02-01-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Disclose (Post 58833467)
cant believe no one remembers his classic WM12 match....

Nice


Axman 02-01-2013 03:27 PM

Although I enjoyed Triple H's heel character throughout the years there is a lot of truth to what Bret says here. Maybe I'm biased due to the type of wrestling that entertains me but he really hasn't had that many great matches, been much of an innovator or performed many tremendous spots. I remember the first time I saw a Psicosis and young Rey Mysterio match; I was on the edge of my seat and became fan of both instantly because of their style, movesets,and the stunts. I became a fan of HHH more because of is look and that's it.

CaptainCrunch67 02-01-2013 03:51 PM

Hart wasn't insulting his mic skills or his brain for the business, I do agree with him, HHH was pretty meat and potatoes in the ring, and he got over because of his personality and understanding of what fans wanted to see.

But his work rate was pretty average with a few exceptions where he had a partner who would make him look better.

I don't think its bitter mumblings by Hart, its a pretty honest evaluation though.

The Truth is, while Hart buried the hatchet with McMahon and with HBK, I don't think that HHH came into that equation of forgiveness.

Martini* 02-01-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch67 (Post 58838581)
Hart wasn't insulting his mic skills or his brain for the business, I do agree with him, HHH was pretty meat and potatoes in the ring, and he got over because of his personality and understanding of what fans wanted to see.

But his work rate was pretty average with a few exceptions where he had a partner who would make him look better.

I don't think its bitter mumblings by Hart, its a pretty honest evaluation though.

The Truth is, while Hart buried the hatchet with McMahon and with HBK, I don't think that HHH came into that equation of forgiveness.

I respect your opinion, but disagree completely.

Hart has done nothing but bleat from the sidelines after his concussion and has no leg to stand on in being considered anything he claims himself to be. His is talking originality when those who he pointed at are just not original and Hart himself is a rip off of a much better wrestler. He talked ring work when Hart has the dreaded five moves of doom worked into every match. Its a shame he actually tried to say he could telegraph a HHH match when anybody could telegraph a Hart match just as easily, so he is being hypocritical.

HHH has a legacy as being one of the biggest stars ever during the biggest time frame of the biz while Hart was nothing but a ham and egger who thought he deserved such a spot and was laughed out of it by Vince, then turned into a JFTTS while in WCW. Hart let this industry consume him like nothing else and has nothing to show for it.

Thats him. He has to live with it.

Mister Wood 02-01-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Engebretson (Post 58835569)
Nice


:laugh: as much crap as fans like to give John Cena, at least he's never done something like THAT.

As for this interview, I'm sure Bret is mostly talking pure wrestling skills. It strikes me as something he'd say about a guy like Hulk Hogan, not exactly a technician in the ring, but a huge personality. And really, that's what draws big in Vince McMahon's world. (Plus Hart's thoughts on the Ultimate Warrior are hundreds of times less flattering that his thoughts on HHH).

For example, in the last Mania match with Taker, i was a pure brawl kind of match, with a lot of the drama coming out of false finishes, like kicking out of Pedigrees, Choke Slams, Sweet Chin Music + Pedigree, etc. Honestly even going with HHH's match with Lesnar, it wasn't exactly magic, like how Lesnar and Cena was at Extreme Rules (in the same style of match).

KEEROLE Vatanen 02-01-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HajdukSplit (Post 58820389)
To me Foley made HHH at the 2000 Royal Rumble (think that was the year, the one at MSG). I agree with Hart and Cornette makes the same point, he is good but WWE put him among the elite category

You are so right, HHH owes his career to Foley, Foley made him look like a million bucks, and what does HHH do? always trashes Mick behind his back. HHH stomped on so many guys, Kane and RVD's careers could have been made by him, but HHH refused to give them the gold

AfroThunder396 02-01-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch67 (Post 58838581)
Hart wasn't insulting his mic skills or his brain for the business, I do agree with him, HHH was pretty meat and potatoes in the ring, and he got over because of his personality and understanding of what fans wanted to see.

But his work rate was pretty average with a few exceptions where he had a partner who would make him look better.

I don't think its bitter mumblings by Hart, its a pretty honest evaluation though.

The Truth is, while Hart buried the hatchet with McMahon and with HBK, I don't think that HHH came into that equation of forgiveness.

I agree with everything you said. Triple H was a bonafide main eventer but he was a 2nd tier guy, not the equal to Austin/Rock/Hogan that the WWE brass try to claim he is. He's more of a Randy Orton than a John Cena.

Ozz 02-01-2013 06:22 PM

No mention of this one? Shame!





I've always liked HHH but no, he's not the most talented technical wrestler. Not that that's a bad thing. I never understood why people detract from others based on criteria that isn't the only criteria that really matters. No one ever complains that their Ferrari can't carry a lot of groceries...


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