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Nullus Reverentia 02-01-2013 10:43 PM

Rule Ammendment to Overtime
 
After seeing Dallas win in overtime, I've been been kind of irked at a rather minor issue with it. That is, the person who scores a shootout game winner does not recieve a point for his efforts, but his team recieves a goal for. Where is the logic for this? I can find none.

So I see two options, both of which include extending overtime to 10 minutes 4-on-4 to make it a lesser occuance. They are as follows;

Option One
1. Change overtime to 10 minutes of 4-on-4 play.
2. Give the shootout game winner a "goal" in the statistics for his efforts towards the teams "goal-for" in the standings.
3. Give assists to others who have scored in a winning effort in the shootout, to a max of two (If more than two non game winning shootout goals are scored, the assists go the most recent goals to the game winning one).

Option Two
1. Change overtime to 10 minutes of 4-on-4 play.
2. Change boxscore of a shootout final to N+ to N (N being the score of the tied game going into the shootout).

The only issue I see with this is the existing problem of extending overtime, that is, the ice is already bad after 20 minutes, would you waste 5 more minutes cleaning it to add merely 5 minutes of play?

Machinehead 02-01-2013 10:45 PM

But the team doesn't get a goal for.

That's only a scoreboard formality. The shootout goal technically doesn't exist.

Dominic Roussel 02-01-2013 10:45 PM

No points to players for shootouts.
If they were going to change anything just change it back to a system with ties instead of loser points.

Nullus Reverentia 02-01-2013 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machinehead (Post 58870657)
But the team doesn't get a goal for.

That's only a scoreboard formality. The shootout goal technically doesn't exist.

Not true. Dallas had 13 goals for coming into this game, and according to NHL.com they now have 17. They only scored 3 goals that count towards player statistics during this most recent game.

New Sabres Captain 02-01-2013 10:49 PM

It's counted as a goal in the standings, but not in the team stats. Which is really confusing.

Machinehead 02-01-2013 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin (Post 58870817)
Not true. Dallas had 13 goals for coming into this game, and according to NHL.com they now have 17. They only scored 3 goals that count towards player statistics during this most recent game.

NHL.com is wrong. Those goals have never counted.

Nullus Reverentia 02-01-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrigsAndGirgs (Post 58870881)
It's counted as a goal in the standings, but not in the team stats. Which is really confusing.

Team stats are relatively irrelevant, standings not so much. Goal-differential is a tiebreaker. If shootout's are not going to hand out points for their scorers, then they should not handout a goal-for for goal-differential.

Nullus Reverentia 02-01-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Machinehead (Post 58871139)
NHL.com is wrong. Those goals have never counted.

In every standings that includes goal-diffential, the shootout goal is included. It absolutely counts for the tie-breaker. Team stats gets their stats from player stats, and since a player does not get a goal it's not included. It's included in standings because they're counting the outcome's of games, not what players got goals and adding them up.

Machinehead 02-01-2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin (Post 58871251)
In every standings that includes goal-diffential, the shootout goal is included. It absolutely counts for the tie-breaker. Team stats gets their stats from player stats, and since a player does not get a goal it's not included. It's included in standings because they're counting the outcome's of games, not what players got goals and adding them up.

Sonofa*****. I didn't even realize they did this. They really should pick one and stick with it, it can't be a goal on one list and not on the other.

Nullus Reverentia 02-01-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machinehead (Post 58871511)
Sonofa*****. I didn't even realize they did this. They really should pick one and stick with it, it can't be a goal on one list and not on the other.

Yeah well I didn't either untill you challenged me and I looked it up lol. I figured they counted it in team stats too, untill I realize they count goals for by adding up 5 on 5, 5 on 4, 4 on 4, 4 on 3, 3 on 3, 3 on 4, 3 on 5, 4 on 5, penalty shot and empty net goals.

ricky0034 02-01-2013 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin (Post 58871251)
In every standings that includes goal-diffential, the shootout goal is included. It absolutely counts for the tie-breaker. Team stats gets their stats from player stats, and since a player does not get a goal it's not included. It's included in standings because they're counting the outcome's of games, not what players got goals and adding them up.

well ROW(regulation and overtime wins) is used as a tie-breaker before goal differential anyways ;)

Art of Sedinery 02-02-2013 12:27 AM

If you credit a goal to the winner in the shootout, then you have to credit a goal for every goal in the shootout. Otherwise, it would be like only getting credit for a goal in regular play if it was the game-winner.

5RingsAndABeer 02-02-2013 01:16 AM

I love option 2. I hope they implement that.

Longer OT would be more exciting and would put less emphasis on the high-variance, low-skill shootout.

uncleben85 02-02-2013 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faidh ar Rud Eigin (Post 58870817)
Not true. Dallas had 13 goals for coming into this game, and according to NHL.com they now have 17. They only scored 3 goals that count towards player statistics during this most recent game.

I really didn't think they counted that. Maybe NHL.com is slipping up, but the official league stats probably don't count it. That'd be a large oversight on their part.

But, I'd be okay with a scoreboard reading smthg like...

DAL 4+ --- TOR 4

Kezia 02-02-2013 12:27 PM

Just get rid of the shootout.

Brooklanders* 02-02-2013 12:32 PM

No way does any stat belong in the shootout category. How about we also change the stats of the goalies?
Every goal the tender lets in goes against his stats.

KawaYui 02-02-2013 12:32 PM

I'd just give a goal to the one who scores the winning goal in the shootout ( no assists for other players)

Kyle Doobas* 02-02-2013 12:35 PM

Get rid of the shootout altogether
10 minute 4-on-4 OT
If no one scores it's a ****ing tie

damacles1156 02-02-2013 12:50 PM

Two minutes of 4 on 4, than Three minutes of 3 on 3.

No one scores it's a tie. No extra points(incentive to win the freaking game).

I am sick of teams playing for OT.

5RingsAndABeer 02-02-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Stallone (Post 58893559)
Get rid of the shootout altogether
10 minute 4-on-4 OT
If no one scores it's a ****ing tie

Also a great idea.

I think the OT period is much more fair (and exciting!) then the shootout.

Paranoid Android 02-02-2013 02:29 PM

Option 1 is a big no. Fake goals should not count towards a player's stats.

Option 2 isn't that bad of an idea, but it just makes things look unnecessarily complicated.

10 minute 4v4 OT needs to happen though.

Nullus Reverentia 02-02-2013 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paranoid Android (Post 58902745)
Option 1 is a big no. Fake goals should not count towards a player's stats.

Option 2 isn't that bad of an idea, but it just makes things look unnecessarily complicated.

10 minute 4v4 OT needs to happen though.

You call it a fake goal but right now it's absolutely not a fake goal, it's a real goal that gives a team an extra (And extremely valuable) point in the standings. If the shootout is to be kept in the format they have it now, it makes zero sense not to count it.

And yes, if you count the goal you will have to count goalie stats as well.


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