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JetsHomer 02-01-2013 11:51 PM

Tobias Enstrom
 
Leads defencemen in scoring with 11 points in 8 games. Next closest is Shattenkirk with 9 in 8 or Markov with with 8 in6.

Think hell be able to keep his lead on the defencemen scoring lead? How many points will he end up with?

Thrashers94 02-01-2013 11:56 PM

Pocket Lidstrom will end up with 40-45 points imo.

Looking good this year outside of that Islanders game iirc where he got burned a couple times.

HPsauce 02-01-2013 11:58 PM

Before the season started i figured he would be tops on our team in pts, if not first.

He's an elite point producing dman. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the scoring race for dmen.

garret9 02-01-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying High (Post 58876145)
Leads defencemen in scoring with 11 points in 8 games. Next closest is Shattenkirk with 9 in 8 or Markov with with 8 in6.

Think hell be able to keep his lead on the defencemen scoring lead? How many points will he end up with?

Possible, but I doubt it... I can see him ending in the top 10 though.
Here's why:

He's 18th in even strength pts/min
He's 11th in PP pts/min

The reason why he's ahead of a lot of the guys above him is he has 3 extra 5v5 mins and 2 extra 5v4 mins than the rest due to our currently absent defensive depth.

Another reason why is because Enstrom is a role guy. When Byfuglien and/or Bogosian are available, he allows these two guys to control the offense, but when they are out he actively tries to create the offense.

Once Bogosian and Byfuglien return he'll stop being on the hunt for creating points and will also lose 5v5 and 5v4 time.

HPsauce 02-02-2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 58876663)
Possible, but I doubt it... I can see him ending in the top 10 though.
Here's why:

He's 18th in even strength pts/min
He's 11th in PP pts/min

The reason why he's ahead of a lot of the guys above him is he has 3 extra 5v5 mins and 2 extra 5v4 mins than the rest due to our currently absent defensive depth.

Another reason why is because Enstrom is a role guy. When Byfuglien and/or Bogosian are available, he allows these two guys to control the offense, but when they are out he actively tries to create the offense.

Once Bogosian and Byfuglien return he'll stop being on the hunt for creating points and will also lose 5v5 and 5v4 time.

No, he's killing it.

Our best player thus far.

TroubaFan1 02-02-2013 12:03 AM

My guess, he'll end up with 36 points. Im a big Toby fan, id just prefer that he plays with Bogo, while Buff plays with Hainsey.

garret9 02-02-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HPsauce (Post 58876759)
No, he's killing it.

Our best player thus far.

Huh?? I wasn't saying he wasn't our best player? :help:
Look at my Enstrom breakdown earlier this season... I'm a HUGE supporter of the guy...

I was just saying that when Byfuglien and Bogosian return two things will happen:
* his 5v5 and 5v4 time will be reduced since we'll have real D depth and ability to create two real PP pairs
* you will see him start to shoot less again because he likes to set-up and play a little less agressive

garret9 02-02-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TroubaFan1 (Post 58876851)
My guess, he'll end up with 36 points. Im a big Toby fan, id just prefer that he plays with Bogo, while Buff plays with Hainsey.

Problem with that is that all 4 do better with the opposite pair you've mentioned.

HPsauce 02-02-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 58876969)
Huh?? I wasn't saying he wasn't our best player? :help:
Look at my Enstrom breakdown earlier this season... I'm a HUGE supporter of the guy...

I was just saying that when Byfuglien and Bogosian return two things will happen:
* his 5v5 and 5v4 time will be reduced since we'll have real D depth and ability to create two real PP pairs
* you will see him start to shoot less again because he likes to set-up and play a little less agressive

When Buff comes back, he'll play with Toby, on the first power play unit, they'll be on the ice for most offensive zone faceoff's. Bogosian and will get secondary PP time, and most of the defensive zone starts.

I'm also not convinced that Bogo will come back and shine like he did last season.

Anyhow, stop crushing my dreams of Toby winning the dman scoring race!!! :cry:

garret9 02-02-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HPsauce (Post 58877493)
When Buff comes back, he'll play with Toby, on the first power play unit, they'll be on the ice for most offensive zone faceoff's. Bogosian and will get secondary PP time, and most of the defensive zone starts.

I'm also not convinced that Bogo will come back and shine like he did last season.

Anyhow, stop crushing my dreams of Toby winning the dman scoring race!!! :cry:

I just meant that both Bogo and Buff would have to come back to reduce the TOI... because if just one comes back Noel will still heavily lean on the first pair like he did the first 4 games.

But, I'll stop. :)

HPsauce 02-02-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garret9 (Post 58877635)
I just meant that both Bogo and Buff would have to come back to reduce the TOI... because if just one comes back Noel will still heavily lean on the first pair like he did the first 4 games.

But, I'll stop. :)

For sure.

I'll have to admit that last season i was not a fan of Toby, it's become pretty obvious that last season was a bogus season for him.

I honestly don't know how you couldn't want him out there in all situations. He's fantastic.

veganhunter 02-02-2013 01:14 AM

Toby has been really good this year. I wasn't his biggest fan last year. He still struggles sometimes with clearing the front of the net and with big guys but he has been so good moving the puck and offensively it really doesn't bug me like last year.

cws 02-02-2013 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HPsauce (Post 58877855)
For sure.

I'll have to admit that last season i was not a fan of Toby, it's become pretty obvious that last season was a bogus season for him.

I honestly don't know how you couldn't want him out there in all situations. He's fantastic.

I was a fan of him from the start. He was a bit raw and apprehensive at first, but you could see his talent and skating ability right away. Just needed time.

Baffles me why some think he lost his ability for a while. It's always been there.
The team played bad in many stretches , his partner played bad on many occasions, he wasn't 100% for every one of those games when he had to cover a good bit of bad play. Trade talks about him came up here.

Overly reactionary/sensitive response to say the least.

King Woodballs 02-02-2013 06:49 AM

Has has been good at putting up points this year.

He is still turning the puck over, and is getting man handled by opposition forwards

Jetsfareast 02-02-2013 07:15 AM

Big buff will pass him in

KingBogo 02-02-2013 08:32 AM

This thread ought to get interesting since Enstrom just may be the most polarizing guy on the team. I try to walk the fence with him. He is without a doubt one of the most gifted offensive d-man in the league, and has the skill to be the top point getting defenseman. while he is not bad on defense his defensive play is no where equal to his offensive play. Case in point would be a game like last night where he gets 3 points but is -3 and we lose 8-3. While I don't put the blame for the loss on Enstrom our team is absolutely horrible across the board defensively right now as we have given 22 goals over the last 4 games. Personally I would take a dramatic drop in his production if it coincided with this team starting to play real team defense.

vBurmi 02-02-2013 08:55 AM

I don't see anyone but Byfuglien or Karlsson leading D scoring unless both miss significant time due to injury.

jetkarma* 02-02-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by King Woodballs (Post 58882915)
Has has been good at putting up points this year.

He is still turning the puck over, and is getting man handled by opposition forwards

The good and the bad , best to grade realistically , I agree.

tbcwpg 02-02-2013 09:12 AM

We have 3 d-men in the top 25 for defensive scoring this season. Not too bad.

The problem is that, apart from Buff, the three have been pretty poor doing what their position demands. Buff had a poor game against Montreal, but his defence has improved over last season. He's the lynchpin in the back end.

Gump Hasek 02-02-2013 09:20 AM

Minus 3 last night despite scoring 3 points.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2012020103

His defensive game was atrocious and he coughed the puck up regularly. Individual offensive stats mean nothing if attained in a game like that.

Tdoe42 02-02-2013 09:34 AM

Can someone Plz make a GIF of him sitting on the bench just shaking his head??!!

allan5oh 02-02-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrashers94 (Post 58876459)
Looking good this year outside of that Islanders game iirc where he got burned a couple times.

No kidding. He has really stepped it up this year. Everyone noticed that game, but nobody talked about how he stripped Malkin/Crosby multiple times and constantly beat them along the boards.

Romang67 02-02-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh (Post 58886133)
No kidding. He has really stepped it up this year. Everyone noticed that game, but nobody talked about how he stripped Malkin/Crosby multiple times and constantly beat them along the boards.

Meh, some people are just looking for him to fail so they can be right. They will never admit him doing well. We have the same kind of people on the boards who will always be against Buff, Hainsey, Scheifele and others, no matter what they do.

Funny thing is that these people are usually among the first to defend one of the others who are being attacked as soon as they make a mistake.

Regarding the topic, I just want him back with Buff so we have one of the best pairings in the league back. Right now he's the main offensive weapon on the blueline, so he will pick up points. I'm guessing he'll end up with 30-40 points this season.

The last game really wasn't a good indication on any of our players, be it Scheifele looking good in a game where everyone sucked, Enström getting three points but being -3 (how often does that happen to him?), or anything else really. Hopefully that includes Pavelec looking horribad, but I'm not so sure.

Gil Fisher 02-02-2013 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tdoe42 (Post 58885699)
Can someone Plz make a GIF of him sitting on the bench just shaking his head??!!

yes please. That was priceless.

HPsauce 02-02-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cws (Post 58880691)
I was a fan of him from the start. He was a bit raw and apprehensive at first, but you could see his talent and skating ability right away. Just needed time.

Baffles me why some think he lost his ability for a while. It's always been there.
The team played bad in many stretches , his partner played bad on many occasions, he wasn't 100% for every one of those games when he had to cover a good bit of bad play. Trade talks about him came up here.

Overly reactionary/sensitive response to say the least.

I actually do believe he was playing hurt most of last season. It's the only logical answer to his poor play mid season.

He was great towards to end of last season. He's an elite skater, smooth and his first step is amazingly quick. I would like to see him skate the puck more often, he can skate with the best of them but we don't see him break out with the puck very often.

He almost seems hesitant to do it at times.

Go Enstrom Go!


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