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PensBandwagonerNo272 02-02-2013 08:00 PM

Best African-American/Canadian Player(s) of All-Time
 
What players of African decent would you say are the best of all-time?

Who's the best of the best?

Gobo 02-02-2013 08:16 PM

Iginla?

Nalyd Psycho 02-02-2013 08:29 PM

Fuhr is the only hall of famer, but Iginla will be joining him soon.

kmad 02-02-2013 08:34 PM

Olaf Kolzig

Soundgarden 02-02-2013 09:18 PM

Dirk Graham is a name that's usually looked over. Won a Selke and was captain of the Blackhawks for a good while.

begbeee 02-03-2013 04:36 AM

It's between Fuhr and Iginla not even close IMO.
I'm not very familiar with all Afro-American players careers, but IMO Laraque should be ranked high, he was a very best in his role for few years (not same as very best in position like Fuhr or Iginla, but it still means something).
I quite liked Anson Carter..decent forward.

Skobel24 02-03-2013 05:13 AM

#1. Iginla
#2. Fuhr
#3. PK Subban
#4. Dustin Byfuglien
#5. Georges Laraque
#6. Anson Carter
#7. Mike Grier
#8. Kevin Weekes
#9. Joel Ward
#10. Chris Stewart

I know there are likely some players I've forgotten about, but that's how I'd classify them. Some may argue Laraque is too high, but I feel he was better in most cases, and remained a consistent player throughout his career.

Big Phil 02-03-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagorim Jarg (Post 58926187)
Olaf Kolzig

Good call............

Yeah Fuhr is definitely #1 here. Iginla is going to be the next black player inducted into the HHOF, unless some think his playoff record holds him back. I'm not sure we'll ever see PK Subban as a true elite defenseman so here is a longshot for me............Seth Jones is the next one inducted in the HHOF. It's possible.

JackSlater 02-03-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagorim Jarg (Post 58926187)
Olaf Kolzig

True. If we are talking about players of African ancestry, I would go with Iginla well before Fuhr.

DisgruntledGoat 02-03-2013 12:23 PM

I think at this point, Iginla has moved ahead of Fuhr for me.

RealisticLeaf55 02-03-2013 01:05 PM

Easily Iginla.

AndyPipkin 02-03-2013 01:09 PM

Where would O'Ree rank? Of course his postition would be more based on who he was rather then how he played.

Big Phil 02-03-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyPipkin (Post 58966333)
Where would O'Ree rank? Of course his postition would be more based on who he was rather then how he played.

Not very high at all. O'Ree played 45 career NHL games and had 14 points. He was a career minor leaguer. He's a more symbolic player. There are plenty since him who were better. Then again, it was the original 6 so not making it back then was hardly a knock.

Skobel24 02-03-2013 02:40 PM

Forgot about Kolzig

tony d 02-03-2013 03:22 PM

Iginla.

Johnny Engine 02-03-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 58967761)
Not very high at all. O'Ree played 45 career NHL games and had 14 points. He was a career minor leaguer. He's a more symbolic player. There are plenty since him who were better. Then again, it was the original 6 so not making it back then was hardly a knock.

Yeah, a replacement level player is a different concept now. O'Ree would at least have to rank above Jean Luc Grand-Pierre or Rumun Ndur, replacement level players who were likely between the 500th and 900th best players in pro hockey during the late 90s/early 00s, whereas O'Ree might have been between the 110th-150th best player of his time. That's a big difference, talent pool aside.

DisgruntledGoat 02-03-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundgarden (Post 58930361)
Dirk Graham is a name that's usually looked over. Won a Selke and was captain of the Blackhawks for a good while.

Is Dirk Graham black?

reckoning 02-03-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DisgruntledGoat (Post 58986101)
Is Dirk Graham black?

Depends on how you define it:


Hockey's First Black Captain: Graham was technically the first player of African (i.e. black) descent to be named captain of an NHL team, although his racial makeup was predominantly caucasian. Graham's claim to this honor was neglected in October 2003 media coverage of Calgary's Jarome Iginla becoming the NHL's "first black captain." Although the issue hardly seems relevant in a modern, multi-racial society, it is worth noting that Iginla had one black parent, while Graham had one mixed-race parent. Therefore any potential definition of the "first black captain" would depend on the ancestral criteria used.
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79089.html

reckoning 02-03-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skobel24 (Post 58956867)
#1. Iginla
#2. Fuhr
#3. PK Subban
#4. Dustin Byfuglien
#5. Georges Laraque
#6. Anson Carter
#7. Mike Grier
#8. Kevin Weekes
#9. Joel Ward
#10. Chris Stewart

Tony McKegney should be ahead of half those players.

Evincar 02-03-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skobel24 (Post 58956867)
#1. Iginla
#2. Fuhr
#3. PK Subban
#4. Dustin Byfuglien
#5. Georges Laraque
#6. Anson Carter
#7. Mike Grier
#8. Kevin Weekes
#9. Joel Ward
#10. Chris Stewart

I know there are likely some players I've forgotten about, but that's how I'd classify them. Some may argue Laraque is too high, but I feel he was better in most cases, and remained a consistent player throughout his career.

A consistent goon?

Soundgarden 02-03-2013 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DisgruntledGoat (Post 58986101)
Is Dirk Graham black?

So over looked in fact that several people don't even realize he's black. ;)

Psycho Papa Joe 02-03-2013 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reckoning (Post 58994593)
Tony McKegney should be ahead of half those players.

Ray Neufeld was better than a few of them as well.

Johnny Engine 02-03-2013 10:53 PM

Surprised no one's mentioned Andreas Lilja yet.

weaponomega 02-03-2013 11:54 PM

Lets not forget Freddy Brathwaite.

begbeee 02-04-2013 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Litework (Post 58996311)
A consistent goon?

Like I claimed before, he was the best player in his role arguably for multiple seasons. No matter how you slice it, it means something. Throw in his off-ice influence and I agree with his #4 position, can see him as high as #3.


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