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Jerk Store* 02-04-2013 11:53 AM

"Le" or "Les"?
 
Legitimate question, I hear announcers, hosts etc. either call the Canadiens "Le Canadien(s?)" or "Les Canadiens". Just wondering why so many call them at the singular in french. Based on the website, the official name is "Les Canadiens", so I don't get why some call it differently. Is there a reason for it? Historical or other?

peate 02-04-2013 11:55 AM

It's Le Club de Hockey Les Canadiens de Montréal. Both are correct I guess.

Le Tricolore 02-04-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by peate (Post 59023319)
It's Le Club de Hockey Les Canadiens de Montréal. Both are correct I guess.

The Les doesn't go there.

Le Club de Hockey Canadien de Montreal is the official name (or at least was at some point)

Les Canadiens de Montreal is what they're most commonly called, though.

Teufelsdreck 02-04-2013 12:01 PM

I refer to the team as le Canadien. I don't mind what other Habs fans choose.

LyricalLyricist 02-04-2013 12:03 PM

I consider Le Canadien as reference to the brand rather than the team.

Jerk Store* 02-04-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Tricolore (Post 59023551)
The Les doesn't go there.

Le Club de Hockey Canadien de Montreal is the official name (or at least was at some point)

Les Canadiens de Montreal is what they're most commonly called, though.

Ah I see. Kinda sounds cool, like FC'ish.

Jerk Store* 02-04-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist (Post 59023669)
I consider Le Canadien as reference to the brand rather than the team.

But others reference the team that way, others another way. It's a little annoying to have 2 ways of saying it for no rhyme or reason.

zzoo 02-04-2013 12:07 PM

Les Canadiens jouent bien ou les Canadiens joue bien ?

cphabs 02-04-2013 12:14 PM

My command of the English language, native tongue no less, warrants a plea as a Hab(s) fan... I can't even get my own language correct! On second thought, this is why I love the Hab(s)! The passion :handclap: Le or Les? Please tell us!

Knuckles30 02-04-2013 12:18 PM

Le Canadiens refers to the team (i.e. the collective).

Les Canadiens refers to the group of players.

Habs Homer 02-04-2013 12:20 PM

They are both common and accepted.

However, I think the "proper" way would be "Les Canadiens" considering "Canadiens" is the official spelling and there's a S at the end. You wouldn't write "Le Canadiens" as "Les" is for plural. You wouldn't say "Le Bruin" or "Le Senateur D'ottawa". But the Habs been part of our culture for so long that "Le Canadien" sounds good to our ear. It's almost an affectionate term. I think only fans would refer to habs as "Le Canadien".

I think only 2 teams in the league are not in plural form:

Le Lightning de Tampa Bay (Only one lightning)
L'avalanche du Colorado (Only one avalanche)

Jerk Store* 02-04-2013 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knuckles30 (Post 59024389)
Le Canadiens refers to the team (i.e. the collective).

Les Canadiens refers to the group of players.

The group of players is the team. Why don't they say "Le Pingouin", "Le Star", "Le Blue Jacket", etc?

PhysicX 02-04-2013 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsurdities (Post 59024521)
They are both common and accepted.

However, I think the "proper" way would be "Les Canadiens" considering "Canadiens" is the official spelling and there's a S at the end. You wouldn't write "Le Canadiens" as "Les" is for plural. You wouldn't say "Le Bruin" or "Le Senateur D'ottawa". But the Habs been part of our culture for so long that "Le Canadien" sounds good to our ear. It's almost an affectionate term. I think only fans would refer to habs as "Le Canadien".

I think only 2 teams in the league are not in plural form:

Le Lightning de Tampa Bay (Only one lightning)
L'avalanche du Colorado (Only one avalanche)

Le Wild aussi

Bob Cole 02-04-2013 01:01 PM

Interesting question. I've always said Le Canadiens but don't know why lol

Jerk Store* 02-04-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Carmoni (Post 59026907)
Interesting question. I've always said Le Canadiens but don't know why lol

Doesn't work

snakeye 02-04-2013 01:06 PM

Le club de hockey canadien de montreal.
Les canadiens de montreal.

JLP 02-04-2013 01:06 PM

Good question and in French both singular and plural can be and are used.

Got me thinking about "The Avalanche" vs "The Hurricanes"

One hurricane not dramatic enough?

Galchenyuk94 02-04-2013 01:34 PM

Yvan Cournoyer says 'j'ai joué pour canadien'

PricePkPatch* 02-04-2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzoo (Post 59023863)
Les Canadiens jouent bien ou les Canadiens joue bien ?

Le Canadien joue se soir contre les Bruins
Les Canadiens jouent se soir contre les Bruins

Jabrony 02-04-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PricePkPatch (Post 59034749)
Le Canadien joue se soir contre les Bruins
Les Canadiens jouent se soir contre les Bruins

ce soir*. Not se soir.

PricePkPatch* 02-04-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jabrony (Post 59035055)
ce soir*. Not se soir.

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Knuckles30 02-04-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snakeye (Post 59027231)
Le club de hockey canadien de montreal.
Les canadiens de montreal.

Exactly. When people say "le Canadien", they are shortening the above. It can be used interchangeable with "le club" or "l'equipe".

When they say "les Canadiens" it is like saying "les joueurs".

Analyzer* 02-04-2013 04:00 PM

Probably because I'm English, but Le Canadien is referring to the Canadian. Me, or pretty much everyone in this thread.

Les Canadiens (to me) always refers to the habs.

Chances are, if you hear an English speaking announcer refer to the them as "le canadien" it's because both s's are silent, or at least we make them so. He's really saying "Les Canadiens" I believe Doc Emerk calls them "lez (emphasis on the s where, from my understanding there shouldn't be any in this situation) Canadiens.

On a side note I think the sabres name in french is funny

Avez-vous regarde le match heir ? Les Canadiens contre les sabres.
Non... Mais, Les Arbes ? C'est un equipe ?

Ahh I can only amuse myself in my broken French.

Gabe84 02-04-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabrony (Post 59035055)
ce soir*. Not se soir.

Jouzent* not jouent.

Analyzer* 02-04-2013 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe84 (Post 59036651)
Jouzent* not jouent.

How so ? Jouer is an "er" verb and would be conjugated as ent for Ils/elles, no ?

I'm just trying to understand so I don't make the mistake.

Rule of two vowels being together ?


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