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Hawksfan2828 02-04-2013 01:50 PM

Most Cups by non-stars?
 
What obscure player has the most cups? Just role players that would play 3rd or 4th line who wouldn't play more than 5 minutes a game?

The only reason why I ask this question is because Colin Fraser has 2, however I know there as to be a player or former player that has at least 5+ as a role player.

I suppose the criteria should be the player was never a regular top-6 and was generally a bottom pairing player throughout his career. I suppose the same applies to defense. A guy who played a limited role as a top 4 but was known as a bottom 2 defeneman. In short - a borderline NHL/AHL/IHL etc player.

Leafsdude7 02-04-2013 02:02 PM

Claude Provost has the most Cups of any player not in the hall of fame with 9. He was a right winger on the Canadiens in the 50s & 60s, and was generally a checking 3rd liner behind Maurice Richard Geoffrion and, after each respected retirement, Bobby Rousseau and Cournoyer.

That said, he probably would have been a star in the 70s or 80s after expansion. He was probably just unluckily stuck behind two of the best players in history at his position in his prime. As it was, he still scored 254 goal and had 589 points in just over 1000 games.

jcbio11 02-04-2013 02:22 PM

Tomas Kopecky has two with two different teams. One with Chicago, one with Detroit.

kmad 02-04-2013 02:26 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Keane

begbeee 02-04-2013 02:26 PM

http://sportslistoftheday.com/2011/0...-stanley-cups/

I'm not familiar with names like Backstrom, Johnson and Marshall, so I suppose it has to be a guy with 3-5 SCs. It would be worthy to check Oilers and Isles dynasties if some scrubs didn't win it all.
Down to three-four SCs - there are probably a lot of such players.

weaponomega 02-04-2013 02:40 PM

Shawn Thornton has a cup with Anaheim and Boston.

Leafsdude7 02-04-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by begbeee (Post 59031755)
http://sportslistoftheday.com/2011/0...-stanley-cups/

I'm not familiar with names like Backstrom, Johnson and Marshall, so I suppose it has to be a guy with 3-5 SCs. It would be worthy to check Oilers and Isles dynasties if some scrubs didn't win it all.
Down to three-four SCs - there are probably a lot of such players.

Think Billy Carroll might count? :)

BTW, Tom Johnson and Jack Marshall are both in the HOF. :nod:

begbeee 02-04-2013 02:46 PM

Kirk Maltby has 4 cups. Always a bottom 6 guy.

Also defensive specialists like Pouzar or Carbonneau have 3 rings. Altough, I would hardly call them scrubs.

McGuillicuddy 02-04-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by begbeee (Post 59031755)
It would be worthy to check Oilers and Isles dynasties if some scrubs didn't win it all.

Best candidate for this that I can see on the Oilers is Dave Hunter. He was on the team for their first 3 cups. Not sure if he is far enough down the depth chart to qualify for this thread though.

johnnyirish 02-04-2013 02:54 PM

Dustin "Flap Jacks" Penner has two cups :facepalm:

unknown33 02-04-2013 03:14 PM

Kris Draper with 4 Cups would qualify as a 'non-star', but doesn't really match the description in the OP.

vadim sharifijanov 02-04-2013 03:17 PM

i don't know that keaner would count either. he was a 15 minute a game player.

Canadiens1958 02-04-2013 03:22 PM

Rick Chartraw
 
Rick Chartraw - 4 SCS with Montreal, 1 with Edmonton.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...chartri01.html

Never a top 4 dman or top 6 forward.

Bob Turner has 5 SCs with Montreal but at times was a top 4 dman.

Don Marshall has 5 SCs with Montreal but was a 2nd team AS with the Rangers at LW.

double5son10 02-04-2013 04:08 PM

Jim Roberts is the guy who came to my mind. Was a 4th line checker and depth defenseman in Montreal and St. Louis. He was more than a bench rider or borderline NHLer, but definitely never got a sniff at top 6/top 4 minutes.

Roberts was on the Montreal Cup winners in 65 and 66, lost in the '67 Finals, was picked up by St. Louis in the Expansion draft and played in the Finals the three straight years the Blues represented the expansion teams. When Bowman became coach in Montreal the Habs traded Phil Roberto for him and Roberts played on the Cup winning teams in '73, 76 and 77. Rejean Houle's return from the WHA and the development of Chartraw made him superfluous and was traded back to St. Louis for a 3rd rd. pick (that became Guy Carbonneau)

In all he appeared in 9 finals, including 6 straight, winning 5 Cups.

Canadiens1958 02-04-2013 04:23 PM

Depth Players
 
Note, players like Ralph Backstrom - 6 SCs led the Canadiens in scoring one year and was a top 6 forwards with the Kings, Jim Roberts, 5SCs but 3rd on the Blues in scoring 1967-68 and Claude Larose, 5SCs but top 6 forward with Minnesota seem to be outside the guidelines,

Killion 02-04-2013 05:06 PM

Garth Boesch 3X's
Marcel Bonin 4X's
Jeff Beukeboom 4X's

double5son10 02-04-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 59037569)
Note, players like Ralph Backstrom - 6 SCs led the Canadiens in scoring one year and was a top 6 forwards with the Kings, Jim Roberts, 5SCs but 3rd on the Blues in scoring 1967-68 and Claude Larose, 5SCs but top 6 forward with Minnesota seem to be outside the guidelines,

Yep, Roberts was 3rd in scoring on a thin group of forwards and he certainly got more than 5 minutes a game, but he was still ultimately the third-line RW, behind Gary Sabourin and Frank St. Marseille. Roberts played 24 more games than Sabourin and 17 more than St. Marseille, which skews the numbers a bit. That whopping 37 pts. in 67-68 was Roberts highest total for his 15 year career. The following year he dropped to 8th in team scoring, then 10th in 69-70. Great checker and penalty-killer, just not a top 6 winger.

Canadiens1958 02-04-2013 05:22 PM

Larry Hillman
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Killion (Post 59039483)
Garth Boesch 3X's
Marcel Bonin 4X's
Jeff Beukeboom 4X's

Larry Hillman, 4SCs with 3 teams - Detroit, Toronto(2), Montreal.

Marcel Bonin was the 1959 playoff goal scoring leader with 10.

ficohok* 02-04-2013 05:35 PM

shawn thornton...with anaheim and boston

KICKsaveANDaBeauty 02-04-2013 05:42 PM

sergei brylin

iamjs 02-04-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KICKsaveANDaBeauty (Post 59041167)
sergei brylin

put up 6 seasons where he scored more than 10 goals, including a 23 goal season in 2000-01. I'm sure there are lesser candidates.

Killion 02-04-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 59040181)
Larry Hillman, 4SCs with 3 teams - Detroit, Toronto(2), Montreal. Marcel Bonin was the 1959 playoff goal scoring leader with 10.

Ya thats right too... not exactly "obscure" was that little feat. Against the Leafs of course. How about Bob Turner? Turner won what, 5 Cups? Bonin's career ended when he had a collision with hard rock Defenceman Pete Goegan in 62, serious back injury.

vadim sharifijanov 02-04-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CroHabitant (Post 59040791)
shawn thornton...with anaheim and boston

joe kocur? three cups, fourth line goon.

not an obscure name though, due to him being arguably the greatest puncher in hockey history.

Hammer Time 02-04-2013 06:13 PM

Chris Dingman, with the Avs and the Lightning

15 career goals in 6 NHL seasons, 2 Cups

Canadiens1958 02-04-2013 06:38 PM

Turner
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Killion (Post 59041845)
Ya thats right too... not exactly "obscure" was that little feat. Against the Leafs of course. How about Bob Turner? Turner won what, 5 Cups? Bonin's career ended when he had a collision with hard rock Defenceman Pete Goegan in 62, serious back injury.

Bob Turner was the 4th dman in 1958-59. Often playing 3rd as Harvey was injured.

Little known detail about Marcel Bonin - the collision with Goegan aggrvated a back injury first suffered wrestling a bear.


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